QatarEnergy, the world's largest producer of natural gas, just got bombed.

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Oh dear. Please drive a bit slower or take a train...

That's why the price surged.

We buy the much more expensive US fracking gas. That spike is a minor blip to Europe.

It's natural gas, not petrol.

It seems to me that every major conflict (Russia, Middle East) spikes oil prices, relatively unpredictably (if you can call this unpredictable).

Maybe the world should look for alternative sources of energy, which are abundant, cheap, and can be deployed non centrally?

No. No that’s insane.

Ok, yes. Oil prices are surging as well though.

The European Commission has a website listing the top gas suppliers to Europe
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/where-does-the-eu-s-gas-come-from/

Our main suppliers are, as of 2025:

• Norway - 31.1%
• United States - 25.4%
• Russia - 13.1%
• North Africa - 12.8%
• United Kingdom - 4.3%
• Qatar - 3.8%

While Qatar doesn't provide a huge proportion of European gas, it's not insignificant either. A disruption in the supply of Qatari gas could very easily cause prices to go up by a lot.

Edit: It's almost as if we should do everything in our power to rid ourselves of the dependency on fossil fuels.

Yes, then we will fight over Rare Earths.

Too many innocent people will be affected by this so I can't say "leopards eating face" without reservations, but still, those leopards will be eating good tonight.

I mean sure but if you already own an electric car then a spike in battery price doesn’t particularly affect your day to day like a spike in gas prices would.

I think bombs dropping on heads will still affect daily life.

Rare earths are not geographically rare. There is just a lower % of them per sample.

These prices are literally controlled by price-fixing cartels.

But Europe is investing hundreds of billions in North Sea wind farms to generate hydrogen for heating, it was initiated by Putin's actions.

https://www.cip.com/projects/our-projects/hydrogen-island/

They also are used in ICE catalytic convertors in every vehicle. But, unlike ICE, EV rare earths can be recycled.

It’s almost as if we should do everything in our power to rid ourselves of the dependency on fossil fuels

https://www.cip.com/projects/our-projects/hydrogen-island/

It's not just about where european countries buy, there's a global market, it's about who bought gas from Qatar and where they will buy their gas now. AFAIK Qatar exports a lot to asian countries, if they can't get gas from Qatar anymore they're going to buy from other countries, for example from the USA. That's going to raise the price for US fracking gas and will affect Europe.

Yes, it is more so the efficient processing and refining that is rare.

You can make a T-shirt anywhere, but if you have to first build your own cotton farms and factories locally, construction will take years and your shirts will cost 10x more.

Also not the 13.1% Russian share. This is the last year Russian LNG imports are allowed and imports using short term contracts are banned in two months.

Now we just have to hope that people dont dig up this bullshit idea of using hydrogen to heat your own house.

And the German government wants to end the sales ban for gas boilers. 55% of German gas consumption is used to heat buildings. So this is a key part of reducing consumption. Another case of a conservative government hurting Germany badly.

Gas is not oil.

In democracies there are no innocent people. Everybody is complicit in not shifting energy sources since the 1970ies.

The pedofile parasite class says no

If only we had some way of generating energy independent of oil and fossil fuels.

I'm laughing because I went with Habeck's advice and installed a simple heat exchanger in my house that is hooked up to a centralized community heating system that runs on sustainable heat sources. Because Habeck, imperfect as he may have been, had a realistic view on things that was rooted in scientific data.

Fuck the CDU and fuck the SPD, fucking class-traitor scumbags.

But think of the fireworks! /s

Sodium ion batteries are already in production. They're not quite at the energy density of lithium but it's close and also irrelevant for grid storage.

I always love the stupidity of this idea: You were able to generate pure hydrogen at high costs... Now what should we do with it? Well lets just do what we did since the middle ages and burn it!

Unfortunately, we don't, because those take a long time to build and we keep putting it off.

And the other option requires batteries that take a long time to make, and we only just started on that.

Edit: why am I getting downvoted for complaining about how pretty much every western government isnt doing enough to transition to other power sources?

There's really nothing wrong with generating hydrogen when power costs are negative.

Except that only happens like 500 hours a year.

And hydrogen will leak from any tank.

And it turns metal brittle.

And I wouldn't trust my neighbor with a propane tank, let alone hydrogen.

And its nearly impossible to transport through existing infrastructure.

But other than that, its great!

Are they? I haven't really been able to find any being offered.

Much of Europe uses gas for heating their houses. Much of industry uses vast amounts of gas for heating all sorts of materials from asphalt to bread.

You can recycle catalytic converters though, that's really not the big problem for combustion engines..

Exactly. India buys from Qatar. Qatar stops supplying, India starts buying from the US, just like us.

https://electrek.co/2026/02/05/first-sodium-ion-battery-ev-debuts-game-changer/

'Nuclear takes too long to build' has been an argument against nuclear for several times longer than it takes to build even the most stringently safe nuclear power plant... its depressing.

Economy is imploding because people don't want to pick between switching to green energy and not murdering brown people.

Why is this downvoted? This guy is technically correct.

What do you mean you don't? Has everything I heard in Cuba, China and Africa been a lie?

China is building a load of nuclear plants, it's working very well for them and moving very quickly. They're also building numerous solar farms and coal plants because they need whatever they can get.

Many places in Africa are doing great on Solar power, but they have requirements orders of magnitude lower than most western countries.

I don't know much about Cuba.

Cool! I kinda meant "can I buy the cells", but if they're being produced in car scales, it'll probably be a yes pretty soon.

This is a really dumb take I wasn't even alive in the 70s

You forgot about the part where the possibility of generating hydrogen cleanly from electricity later is used as an excuse to build infrastructure and fuel-cell cars for it now, even though hydrogen now is dirty hydrogen produced by cracking fossil fuels.

I have no confidence that the second phase of switching to electrolysis would actually happen, and that "the hydrogen economy" isn't just a greenwashing scam perpetrated by natural gas producers.

After a little more digging, yes you can!

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/catl-sodium-ion-battery-cell.html

Well, there are useful appliances for hydrogen, where you just burn it. Burning it to heat your own home isnt one if them.

Then it's a dumb take that you are responsible since 1970.

But since you have been an adult, as a member of a democracy, you are responsible for what the democracy does. That's the deal. The election decides. If the majority decides something bad, bad luck, that's still shared among everybody.

Good. Fuck being dependent on dictators for our energy. Renewables is the only way forward. European energy for Europeans.

Not really the issue at hand, but sure.
This is less about getting to kill brown people than about Iranians. And their government lacks public support and is not just willing to do mass killings in the streets and executions to maintain their grip on power but is actually doing that too.

The civilian death toll is probably going to be much lower than in the January protests. But that does not mean that a military intervention is right or resolves the participants from doing nation building afterward.

Wow! so glad we have clean coal now!