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Jännät sopuli.xyz jaennaet@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-06-28
#102 · Quote Reply

...more barrel = more bullet? 🥴
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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#103 · Quote Reply

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No dakka, just brrrrrrt.

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ameancow lemmy.world ameancow@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-05-10
#104 · Quote Reply

I suppose a Fallout style power armour would have an energy source built in that could power the motor as well, and the weight of the ammo backpack would balance the weight of the gun, obviously assuming that the armour can properly distribute that weight so it's not directly carried by the human within. Still, limited ammunition is a buzzkill in the kind of context you'd give a player that gun...
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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#105 · Quote Reply

Tbf even the gau-8 used by the A-10 warthog only has 18 seconds of brrrrrrt. So if anything carryable could last 5 seconds, you'd basically be out of ammo anyways. It's a way of making it "realistic" without limiting you to the point of making it worthless. Which in reality, in any extended engagement, a ground mini-gun is absolutely worthless. No one person by themselves could use that gun effectively against more than ~10-15 people and only in VERY specific situations. Only in a kamikaze rush would it be of any value. I'd take 3 marksmen with bolt action rifles and iron sights over one dude on foot with a mini-gun all day, every day.

Mini-guns are very, very good in specific applications, but absolutely worthless in others. But it's fun in a video game to weird. It'd be unrealistic and OP to carry with enough ammo to make it useful outside of fallout power armor, or a full mech.

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BigPotato lemmy.world BigPotato@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-15
#106 · Quote Reply

You arent wrong, maximum numbers vs minimum numbers. Fact is though that by turning the gun down to 1000 rounds per minute you're only exceeding the m249 by 150 rpm and carrying a weapon at least 13kg heaver to do so. (Yes the 249 is chambered in 5.56 so its not apples and apples) At the end of the day it COULD be done, its just not the tool for the job. Its enough weight that dude would effect...

M240 weighs like 12 or 13kg and fires 7.62.

Plus, it would've totally been common in service at the time of the movie's release...

It's just not as cool though.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#107 · Quote Reply

I walk round my house eating little pills. If I stay still the ghosts eat me.

Have you tried walking out of your back door and immediately appearing through your front door?

That can confuse them

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#108 · Quote Reply

In their defense, gun barrels getting red hot from use is cool as fuck.

This is a real thing. Even LMGs generally have multiple barrels that you have to change out during sustained fire.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#109 · Quote Reply

Oh, prices are going down. Can it really just use any 7.62x51?

In bulk maybe. But my .308 rounds are generally ~$30 for 20 depending on certain factors.

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sad_detective_man sopuli.xyz sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-11-24
#110 · Quote Reply

In bulk maybe. But my .308 rounds are generally ~$30 for 20 depending on certain factors.

That's crazy cheap since the last time I bought bullets. Maybe I need to jump on this.

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Delphia lemmy.world Delphia@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#111 · Quote Reply

I don't think the 1000 rounds per minute would make sense in any scenario other than a movie or video game. If you're going to the trouble of carrying all those extra barrels around, you want to be firing at a rate high enough that a single barrel would overheat. But, if you're firing at 2000+ rounds per minute, the recoil quickly becomes unmanageable for someone on foot. Multiple barrels makes...

Exactly. Just because it conceivably could be done doesnt make it a good idea.I mean... they do look fucking cool when they crank off at 6000rpm though. The rule of cool makes everything a good idea in movies.

Its not the greatest movie but I do love the boat rescue scene from Act of Valor https://youtu.be/O0vZY0m6INU

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Delphia lemmy.world Delphia@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#112 · Quote Reply

It's more that using multiple barrels keeps any one barrel from heating up too quickly, and it's easier to have multiple barrels than entire firing assemblies.

Not only that but the barrel is rotating quite fast which encourages cooling.

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abigscaryhobo lemmy.world abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#113 · (edited) Quote Reply

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I mean technically they spin to cool but also because they use the time it takes to rotate to unload and reload a round. Basically "1 fire, 1 move out of the way, 2 fire, 1 unload, 2 move, 3 fire, 1 load, 2 unload, 3 move, etc." multiple reasons

As someone else put it. No dakka, just brrt. When you have 8 dakkas in sync, you get all the -kka happening while the next barrel is already Da-, so dakka dakka turns into dadadadadadddddddrrrrrrtt

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anomnom sh.itjust.works anomnom@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-11-09
#114 · Quote Reply

"oops I ran out of money"

Just have to grind that min wage job simulator for 9-12 months for another go.

Unless it’s got rent, transportation, healthcare, and food simulators in it too.

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Soggy lemmy.world Soggy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#115 · Quote Reply

Not only that but the barrel is rotating quite fast which encourages cooling.

Sure, but realistically air isn't a good enough heat conductor for this to help much. Fixed machine guns used to use water-cooling but that's been phased out and modern weapons simple replace the barrel when it gets too hot.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#116 · Quote Reply

Exactly. Just because it conceivably could be done doesnt make it a good idea.I mean... they do look fucking cool when they crank off at 6000rpm though. The rule of cool makes everything a good idea in movies. Its not the greatest movie but I do love the boat rescue scene from Act of Valor https://youtu.be/O0vZY0m6INU

Yeah, rule of cool is important for entertainment. The problem is that you stretch reality too far you end up ruining the suspension of disbelief. For me, people flying backwards through the air after they've been shot ruins movies, because that's just not what happens.

IMO, the best part of the scene from Predator is that they showed just how freaked out the guy was by having him hold down the trigger after he'd fired every bullet he had leaving the audience with just the sound of the barrels spinning. That's just really good storytelling, and not something you can do with another type of machine gun.

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luciferofastora feddit.org luciferofastora@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-02-07
#117 · Quote Reply

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Actually, we could power the rotary gun with the solar panel!

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Mwa thelemmy.club Mwa@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2024-06-27
#118 · Quote Reply

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maybe i miss understood the context of the meme

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Treczoks lemmy.world Treczoks@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#119 · Quote Reply

Reminds me of the weapons in Breath of the Wild. You can easily break several in a single fight.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#120 · Quote Reply

Someone on Reddit actually did the math on this 5 years ago. The scene in Predator where someone holds down the trigger and fires continuously for 45 seconds is actually vaguely possible. The gun weighs 39 kg or 85 lbs, so it's possible for a soldier to carry it, especially the soldiers in Predator who are shown to be much, much stronger than the average soldier. The ammo used in 45 seconds wou...

Their math was wrong. 45 seconds of sustained fire would require a belt far larger than any one man could carry. It wouldn't even be logical in a vehicle turret.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#121 · Quote Reply

Yeah also, real life, you’re not shooting 300 m very often. Your rifle may be capable of it, you’re not. With any real effect anyway. Source: former infantryman

Wrong. I easily shot 500m on a 249 single shot on iron sights.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#122 · Quote Reply

Is it a matter of stopping power or of precision?

It's a matter of skill. Carlos hathcock used a .50 machine gun to snipe people in Vietnam. I hit individual targets at 500m with a 249 on a single shot with iron sights.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
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#123 · Quote Reply

This is true. I played a lot of VR "full realism" games and frequently my squad couldn't see anything far away (not to mention VR resolution is quite a bit lower than real life) We resorted to one of us carrying a dedicated 7.62×51 semi-auto rifle with a long range optic (which was me) and a backup weapon. One of the guys carried a spare box of 100× 7.62 just in case, and it worked out great. I...

I could snipe people from 500m with a 249 with no problem. 2-3 shots no problem.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#124 · Quote Reply

Their math was wrong. 45 seconds of sustained fire would require a belt far larger than any one man could carry. It wouldn't even be logical in a vehicle turret.

20 rounds per second, 45 seconds is 900 rounds. Each round is 25g, so 900 rounds is about 25 kg. I don't see the issue.

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Hathaway lemmy.zip Hathaway@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-01
#125 · (edited) Quote Reply

Wrong. I easily shot 500m on a 249 single shot on iron sights.

Yeah? Of course, a 249 is a different beast. I’m talking about the average infantryman, M4, red dot. Sure, it’s not the hardest shots in the world, the average infantryman, just isn’t very combat effective there.

Edit: stationed at Gordon tells me you’re not infantry.

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Hathaway lemmy.zip Hathaway@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-01
#126 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's a matter of skill. Carlos hathcock used a .50 machine gun to snipe people in Vietnam. I hit individual targets at 500m with a 249 on a single shot with iron sights.

Range data isn’t a flex, pog.

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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#127 · Quote Reply

Range data isn’t a flex, pog.

What'd you get on your asvab? Drool? In asymmetric warfare being a window licker doesn't mean you saw much more than anyone else unless they never left the fob.

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Hathaway lemmy.zip Hathaway@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-01
#128 · (edited) Quote Reply

What'd you get on your asvab? Drool? In asymmetric warfare being a window licker doesn't mean you saw much more than anyone else unless they never left the fob.
  1. At the end of the day, I’m not in here telling you how to do intel, don’t tell me how to do what I did.
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P00ptart lemmy.world P00ptart@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-26
#129 · Quote Reply

At the end of the day, I’m not in here telling you how to do intel, don’t tell me how to do what I did.

Uh huh. Sure.

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Hathaway lemmy.zip Hathaway@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-01
#130 · Quote Reply

Uh huh. Sure.

To your point about ASVABs, that’s the exact reason an average infantryman isn’t effective. I wasn’t sure some people could tie their own shoes, let alone handle a rifle.

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