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Sepia
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Sepia@mander.xyz Joined: 2025-11-10 |
cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/48320144
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freagle
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frisbird@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-11-24 |
But no problem with the Tibetan monarchy torturing and enslaving the masses? No problem with the KMT running an openly fascist dictatorship for 40 years in Taiwan killing and torturing anyone who disagreed with them? No problem with the US and UK protecting the KMT while they prosecuted the White Terror? No problem with the US training terrorists and airlifting them into Tibet to kill and maim and destroy? No problem with the US program of terrorism that resulted in the high rate of terrorist attacks in Xinjiang? No consideration of the claims that China's program that violated human rights have resulted in an incredible reduction of terrorist attacks in the Xinjiang, increased women's autonomy, increased income, reduced economic precarity, and maintained cultural autonomy and vibrancy? The idea that countries are appeasing China is a drop of water in an ocean of appeasement for the US and Western Europe. |
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twopi
lemmy.ca
twopi@lemmy.ca Joined: 2021-05-02 |
But no problem with the Tibetan monarchy torturing and enslaving the masses? No problem with the KMT running an openly fascist dictatorship for 40 years in Taiwan killing and torturing anyone who disagreed with them? No problem with the US and UK protecting the KMT while they prosecuted the White Terror? No problem with the US training terrorists and airlifting them into Tibet to kill and maim ...
Don't you know. When I kill people, it's called freedom; when someone else kills people, it's called tyranny. People who think this don't deserve an /s. |
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brynden_rivers_esq
lemmy.ca
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-02-24 |
I was hoping this would be a Uyghur aligning themselves with other people who are let down by international law...you want to say tibet, taiwan, and hong kong? Huh...sure I guess but FFS there are some pretty obvious examples here...Palestine would be the biggest one. But there's a lot more! I wonder what makes the examples that are talked about the same...and what makes the ones not mentioned the same... |
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Sepia
mander.xyz
Sepia@mander.xyz Joined: 2025-11-10 |
I was hoping this would be a Uyghur aligning themselves with other people who are let down by international law...you want to say tibet, taiwan, and hong kong? Huh...sure I guess but FFS there are some pretty obvious examples here...Palestine would be the biggest one. But there's a lot more! I wonder what makes the examples that are talked about the same...and what makes the ones not mentioned ...
There are a lot more examples, unfortunately. But I guess the author is referring to Mr. Carney's speech in Davos soon after his visit to China where he 'revived' ties with Beijing, apparently ignoring its human rights violations. |
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Keeponstalin
lemmy.world
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-18 |
There are a lot more examples, unfortunately. But I guess the author is referring to Mr. Carney's speech in Davos soon after his visit to China where he 'revived' ties with Beijing, apparently ignoring its human rights violations.
Canada has zero interest in human rights, as shown by their direct military and financial support for ethnic cleansing |
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GuyIncognito
lemmy.ca
GuyIncognito@lemmy.caJoined: 2026-01-22 |
Kind of expected this to be about the big big news given the title, but it's just some harvard-educated atlantic council spook talking about China. God willing, we will be rid of these pigs one day. |
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ruuster13
lemmy.zip
ruuster13@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-09 |
But no problem with the Tibetan monarchy torturing and enslaving the masses? No problem with the KMT running an openly fascist dictatorship for 40 years in Taiwan killing and torturing anyone who disagreed with them? No problem with the US and UK protecting the KMT while they prosecuted the White Terror? No problem with the US training terrorists and airlifting them into Tibet to kill and maim ...
Ah yes, use past behavior of others to justify your current behavior. That'll pass moral scrutiny. It was wrong when they did it; it's wrong when China does it. |
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freagle
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frisbird@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-11-24 |
Ah yes, use past behavior of others to justify your current behavior. That'll pass moral scrutiny. It was wrong when they did it; it's wrong when China does it.
Thanks for sharing your interpretation. The intent is not to justify current behavior, it's to condemn selective outrage and selective enforcement. When the police pull over more black people for taillights being out than white people, and send more black people to jail for the same crimes, and kill more black people for the same behaviors, we call that selective enforcement. So when we have dubious claims of genocide in Xinjiang based on satellite analysis of a German Christian Nationalist who believes birth control is equivalent to murdering babies and should be banned, and then we see people say this is atrocious and no one should be entertaining trade with China, we COULD just take that at face value. But when we seat it in context, we see that they demand no such thing when we have open direct access to literal ongoing genocides we see no such calls for changes in behavior. Why is that? Why should we embargo Cuba and kill their sick, elderly, and infants but it's OK to support Israel? Obviously you don't believe that we should support Israel, but I am asking about these think-tanks, government officials, parties, and other powerful parties who justify mass murder by referring to "crimes and evils" that are either tiny, specious, or both when compared to their own crimes and evils. I propose we prioritize intervention into evils based on scale. We can get to Xinjiang when it comes up on the list ordered by the scale of the problem, urgency of irreparable harm, robustness of evidence, and structural relevancy to systemic evil. And since embargos by the US and EU cause more deaths than literally all wars in the same period, the first priority would be stopping the genocide in Gaza, the second would be to declare all unilateral sanctions illegal and unenforceable and to enforce that ruling with a global military coalition, and the third would be shutting down the US military and limiting them to being only a defensive force of their mainland. Next priorities would be the decolonization of all European-held territories and the establishment of an international protection force for the indigenous peoples everywhere. Then we can send yet another contingent of international observers to Xinjiang to see if this time they can find evidence of a genocide, because the last dozen times no one has found evidence of a genocide and in fact the population in Uyghur population in Xinjiang increased. |
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skeptomatic
lemmy.ca
skeptomatic@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-12-26 |
Thanks for sharing your interpretation. The intent is not to justify current behavior, it's to condemn selective outrage and selective enforcement. When the police pull over more black people for taillights being out than white people, and send more black people to jail for the same crimes, and kill more black people for the same behaviors, we call that selective enforcement. So when we have du...
I like it. Well formed argument. |
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Sepia
mander.xyz
Sepia@mander.xyz Joined: 2025-11-10 |
But despite Israel’s assault on Gaza, attacks in the West Bank and violations of international law, Canada continues to ship Israel arms, financially supports Israeli settlements on Palestinian land and offers Israel diplomatic support and multilateral cover. https://theconversation.com/canadas-response-to-the-war-in-gaza-raises-questions-about-its-commitment-to-human-rights-and-justice-264001 ...
I guess the author is referring to Mr. Carney’s speech in Davos soon after his visit to China where he ‘revived’ ties with Beijing, apparently ignoring its human rights violations. |
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