I was banned from dbzer0 after I challenged cowbee posting tankie copypasta. I called dbzer0 out for being a tankie bar.

Right, so this very much isn't a new thing with you, db0, or tankies. That's the gist of what I mean.

No, it's not, dbzer0 has been a tankie bar for quite a while.

Figured that perhaps some evidence of the takeover would sway db0 that tankies aren't friends with anarchists, but tankie bar will tankie bar.

Or democratic socialists that like to pretend they're anti-electoral, while still saying pro-Western crap without some modicum of criticism (also though the tankies need their criticism too since often tankies devolves into fascist-adjacent or fascist governments, like China with their genocides and capitalism).

The first world left doesn't exist, it's so overly splintered with people threatening each other in knife fights over silly differences, with the spectre of western and eastern propaganda spitroasting first worlders' minds. We need someone influential in some form to lead everyone that isn't going to be Napoleon/Stalin 2.0, but that sounds like it's against conventional Marxist thought, but I don't have any better ideas.

Or nothing screams "communism" like that either.

They're going after autistic people?!

Or plausibly even autistic themselves, with CPTSD, and the resultant black&white overly reductive reflexive "thinking", contrary to the "a place for undogmatic".

I will never understand why a tankie wants to support a capitalist nation (yes formerly ML but like that's long ago smh, even if you think being a tankie is good) invading a sovereign nation that doesn't deserve invasion. Ukraine, Cuba, Palestine, Taiwan, it doesn't matter their ideologies, these countries are sovereign nations (or supposed to be in the case of Palestine) that didn't need a fucking invasion.

That's not what tankie means.

Communism never worked at all (crushing of communist revolutions and calling Cuba and pre-Maduro Venezuela bad, as much as the latter was anti LGBT which is a major problem), Israel has a right to defend itself, ignore the rapists alongside Epstein, Democrats and Republicans are different in their goals, regime change in other Latin American countries, communism killed more than capitalism (which is more debatable when you consider economic death in capitalism, but then again the holodomor was really really bad and targeted Ukraine, and don't get me started on the Muslim genocide in China), Islam is violent, so on so on.

they also are infiltrating the more"neutral" political memes sub too, i noticed it has very tankie postings. after thier tankie instances have mostly been blocked by most fed users, i assume they arnt getting much engagement.

same, only because the conservatives use "lib as insult too" see the common denominator. but they add "shitlib" as alternative. by in far US, has never been liberal in anyway, political or otherwise outside of a very small nich groups.

now trying to shift to more "normal" political communities to disguise thier group.

because they are the baseline founding communities and the resulting conversations have discourse hidden from you that they don’t and can freely attempt to manipulate.

.ml doesn't have the most active communities since a few years

!asklemmy@lemmy.world is much more active than !asklemmy@lemmy.ml , !fediverse@lemmy.world is much more active than !fediverse@lemmy.ml

For the few remaining, there are usually alternatives, e.g. !privacy@lemmy.ml , but !privacy@programming.dev is a valid alternative

There are some things there I disagree with.

Shoutout to Tankie or Conservative

Not to the point of post/reply removal nor banning, yet. But I get that vibe. At least enough to offer the plausibility. As may fit your example experience.

The current system is flawed. This system will always carry its foundational weaknesses. Your counterexamples are examples of the dissection you have to force, never mind that it does not address the problem at the user level.

I don't see it that way, but I do see users coming into it and having to face lower quality arguments without nuance along with trolling or having to face low interaction rates, or ridiculous beehive charades of argument chains too surreal to seem real, and just choosing to go back to the mainstream platforms instead.

having to face lower quality arguments without nuance along with trolling or having to face low interaction rates, or ridiculous beehive charades of argument chains too surreal to seem real,

Yep. And at times, that and worse from mods.

As per the

all the “bad diversity” has been removed

effect.

Gate-keeping. Groupthink of the mods.

Though, lets remember, this is still the fediverse. It's not a monolith where the mods are the mods. Mods some communities are worse, some are better, and we can always start our own communities and host our own instances.

Robust enough against lemmy being "dead", like @goat@sh.itjust.works said.

You have (some of) the functionality, but the defaults suck and the way to fix it might mean a lot less people and expertise involved in the discourse

Lol it's a "western narrative" that Nazis and a mix of people with some bad aren't indistinguishable.

Black, white, gray? They all look the same to me!! /s

Most anarchists who are serious are far from tankies. In fact, in my experience, I clash with anarchists because I feel they're too idealistic and unwilling to use repression on any negative element of society.

There are anarchists who converge with tankies, but generally those are the terminally online sorts who are lonely and seeking a sense of community, rather than committed ideologues.

What what do you mean? I'm kinda a bit dumb, like you mean Nazis alongside anyone that tolerated them means everyone is a Nazi, or what do you mean?

Which things?

I mean that Democrats are clearly extremely different from Republicans and it doesn't need any "narrative" to convince anyone watching their actions.

That may be the case outside of the web, but pretty much every anarchist I have run into has been just a tankie that didn't like the title.

Literally reads like:

"In every case in history, authoritarian communists have purged the anarchists after the success of the revolution. So you should accept our blanket leadership because otherwise we will be forced to purge you after the success of the revolution. And even if you do submit to us, you will be forever at our mercy because if we ever deem you as a threat then we will eliminate you."

Authoritarians in every form just can't seem to see through their own narcissism...

Pretty sure a lot of them are an ancap psyop to divide the left over ideological purity tests and campism, while making leftism as a whole look bad from the outside...

"I don't care if tankies call us libs, as long as they don't call me a turbolib! Those damn turbolibs want us to ban tankies, can't give them what they want!"

Literally "one of the good ones" mentality, just move the overton window a little bit to the other side of yourself. I'm sure the face-eating leopards will accept you as one of their own...

Ah yes, that's because leopardsatemyface is run by face-eating panthers, which is completely different!

You can only talk about face-eating leopards eating faces there, but don't you dare suggest the face-eating panthers might eat faces too...

Another part is probably how Lemmy moderators are structurally cops, and All Cops Are Bastards.

Mods have a monopoly on the digital equivalent of violence (banning and deletion) and are expected and required to unilaterally use that monopoly to police the community. They have nearly unilateral discretion over how incidents are handled, and complaints are primarily taken care of through mods discussing internally.

Communities may elect their mods, but given communities are defined by those who are not banned by mods, mods can use their discretion to ban dissenters whenever they can get away with it while only banning supporters when they have to. Thus communities evolve into ones that (vocally or passively) support their mods as long as those mods aren't much more egregious than they have been so far. The vocal support then reinforces the mods' beliefs in their righteousness, justifying their strictness, until they are a police state.

Good mods get disgusted by this pipeline at some point during the process and stop being mods. Crappy mods speedrun the pipeline and become sad little kings of sad little hills. But insidious mods go through the pipeline slowly, creating an oasis of liberal stability where those that fit themselves within the mods' Overton Window can have a flourishing community (hi goat!).

And it's hard to organize servers any other way because by default with our current capitalism digital infrastructure, the admin is the owner and users are producer-consumers who have no tools to project political power beyond what the admin deigns to bestow on them. Because the users are given no way to organize politically they devolve into chaos, so the admin makes use of the tools they have and polices the users or imports the position of moderator so approved users can police the other users.

So over time, communities on the internet either collapse or have mods who grow from being willing to exist as liberal authorities to sympathizing with authoritarianism. So what anti-authoritarian doctrines there were that helped sustain the liberal oasis as long as they did start to feel naive or restrictive, while there is long precedent for silencing the complainers who rail against the edges of that increasingly less liberal oasis. And so authoritarianism arrives without fanfare, and those embarrassing rules that used to define the community are buried without ceremony.

At the start there were thousands of frogs in the pot. As it became warm, frogs started jumping out, but I did not jump because I was not that kind of frog. As it became hot, more frogs jumped out, but I did not jump because I was not that kind of frog. And now it's boiling, and my brain is too fried for me to ever want to jump anymore.

On the other hand, I've known a number of tankies through the years who pitched hard-right once they found community with online right-wingers.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Authoritarian-minded narcissists don't care about ideological consistency, ethical reasoning, or contextual realism. They just care about the authoritarian grift that feeds their insatiable egos.

They call the "horseshoe politics" argument "both-sides-ism" when it's actually the opposite. "Both sides are bad" is an attempt to equate left-wing with right-wing politics to justify doomerism, complacency, and cynical accelerationism while claiming some sort of moral exceptionism (my ends justify my means because both sides are bad).

"Horseshoe politics" on the other hand calls out ideological and methodological extremism on both sides. Its main claim is that authoritarianism is bad, regardless of which side of the political spectrum it falls on.

It also comes as no surprise that these same types of "leftists" never call out trump, maga, and the actual fascists. No, they focus all their ire on corporate dems (who are deserving of critique within their own contexts, of course, but not to the exclusion of far-right conservatism), calling them "liberal fascists," whatever the fuck that is, and watering down the term "fascist" so that we all sound like loonies whenever we call out actual fascism (such as maga/trumpism).

I would, and did in another community, but my post got taken down by a Blahaj mod because they didn't want to further the harassment even potentially, which I understand to be fair.

I mean it seems pretty alive to me on a community level, it's just that the devs make it's failure inevitable, which is why I jumped ship over here to PieFed within two months.

Jesus is that what's happening? I'm not strictly a communist or anarchist (tho I consider them my allies) but maybe that's because the ones I've encountered are upfront and honest about who they are and what they believe instead of trying to obfuscate it lol
Aside from outright trolling, what is even the point of acting this way? I genuinely don't get it from any perspective.

Problem is, I've heard, that .ml and .world share funding and isn't .dev tankie ridden too? Either that or it's full of AI bros, I could be wrong.

I might need to look into what the hell ChapoTrapHouse is now lol

They might technically be different, but I've been getting horrible vibes from them after their 2024 loss. Gavin Newsom had been agreeing with fascists on how to rid of trans people, Mamdani has had no response to the hospital closures and instead had the AG strike the closure down while saying not much shit, the advisors to the Harris campaign were using the word "transgender" in a bad way that reminds me of conservatives, and the fact is there has been some Democrats involved with Epstein, especially the non progressive types. Also don't get me started on anti-zionism, when progressives like Mamdani have almost completely rid of these bits, minus maybe a few aspects like saving a protestor and getting rid of some executive actions that Adams did. Mamdani also cut the library fund after criticizing Adams doing it. The Democrats have supported the genocide in Gaza during Biden's years, and have been supporting the Iran and Venezuela invasions minus in how Trump did those invasions. The Democrats recently have also supported age attestation, similar to how Republicans supported ID verification for porn.

Look as a trans woman, it feels like I've been systemically backstabbed first by capitalists with the fall of rainbow capitalism, and then systemically by a Democratic party that wants to no longer oppose Trump and instead become blue MAGA and copy him, even on the "far left," (Mamdani... Fetterman... Soon Graham Platner) to establish a new normal where internet fascism is the default policy and the US turns into the UK and the Democrats into the Labour party. And people like me and a friend of mine in Lebanon will all get slaughtered so socdem Americans can pretend to get closer to healthcare when the capital class will never let that happen no matter what.

Yeah, I had to block so many 'anarchist' meme communities that were nothing but hating dems

You raise some valid points but I don't know what you're talking about with mamdani. I am not familiar with what you're referring to there but it does strike me as odd that one of the few names you picked to criticize is literally the furthest-left nationally-known voice, probably in American history.

I've been mentioning him because of how far left he has been or supposed to be. Sorry I've been digging at him, it would have been more critical of right wing Democrats if it wasn't for the capitulation Mamdani himself pulled.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ag-letitia-james-just-stood-up-for

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/trans-new-yorkers-deserve-better

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/its-time-for-mayor-mamdani-to-live

https://www.thecity.nyc/2026/02/19/mamdani-budget-parks-libraries/

https://thehill.com/homenews/5766052-trump-mamdani-housing-plan/ (partnering with Trump is the scariest part of his capitulation, considering we know about how authoritarian and fashy he is)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/donald-trump-zohran-mamdani-meeting

(Warning: the next few links involve Bad Empanada, he might be wrong about these, but I've admittedly been watching him a lot so he's the first I think of when looking up the zionist stuff)

https://youtu.be/L7dWps5gkZs

https://youtu.be/FJDbQfS6Xxs

I will say that perhaps he's playing the long game, whether we're talking the major issues like the trans and zionist bits, where you have to look palatable to voters or to Trump or to the establishment, but first off, voters follow where the radicals go, and are happy to hear some give a shit about something, and trying to ally with Trump or the establishment seems suspect because those two groups do not want socialism to win no matter what. You just lose things.

The craziest bit too is while every Democrat seems at best very wishy washy about being anti zionist, the fascists have blatant and consistent critics of Zionism like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, but it the version of anti-zionism that the elites and establishment can get behind, which is actually anti-Semitic screeds about Jewish conspiracy theories rather than genuinely being against the genocides in the Middle East. It's just this and the trans stuff (oh my fucking God the fact Harris and other Dems thought not talking about trans people and some conservative Texas ones thought we should call trans girls men is fucking insane) is making me feel black pilled about America ever getting out of where it's at. 😭😭😭

Tl;dr: Mamdani depressed me so much because I believed so much in him because how far left he was supposed to be and is, and I cited stuff and then reflected on how it seems like fascists can do a better job at talking about Palestine than anti-zionists can, because they do it in the elite backed way by blaming Jews instead of seeing Israel as an American colonial project.

Yeah, it was a surprising-shouldn't-be-surprising situation, seeing them all walk around with planks in their eyes with their faces eaten off, jeering at the flecks in the eyes of others with their faces eaten off. They don't like threats to the delusions they identify with. Classic social-dominance groupthink stuff.

I hope they enjoy their flavour of totalitarianism. /s

Ml and world definitely don't share funding, and .dev isn't tankie ridden as far as I know

Nobody had to force !asklemmy@lemmy.world to overcome !asklemmy@lemmy.ml , it just happened organically as LW grew its userbase

ChapoTrapHouse is a tankie podcast. /r/chapotraphouse was the largest tankie subreddit before it got quarantined and eventually banned.

Can you find me one conservative community on lemmy?

I'm of the belief that if you want to grow a forum, you need to cater most groups. Otherwise you'll stagnate and die.

And yet dbzer0 insists on federating and unifying with tankies. Oblivious.

I don't think communism or capitalism are inherently violent or have killed more. You can have communism and capitalism without killing people. Fascism, though, requires death to operate.

Communism has worked.

I don't think Europe or Commonwealth nations are ignoring the Epstein rapists. Only the US seems to be doing it.

The rest I don't know enough about to really have an opinion if it's a Western narrative or not, especially since you're using US-defaultism.