Check out this thread if you get the chance, feel free to engage in it

One would think in a community that says no ML they would just ban on sight

I gave db0 just a smidge of evidence that tankies are coordinating a takeover of Dbzer0, including dbzer0 admins aiding the takeover. Naturally, this is Db0's reply

He's kinda given up, sad. He'd rather own the libs than admit he's being treated like every single anarchist in history. Bizarre how they keep falling for betrayal. Perhaps this time the Authoritarians won't eat me! Literal insanity.

the frog is boiling

I find their obsession with the term "libs" fascinating.

It has a very different meaning outside of the US. Which goes to show that their whole "but my global south!!" is fake and performative.

The leopards are contracting obesity, it seems

Okay, but do you expect them not to know who you are when you're doing this?

If pointing at the name Diva is self explanatory enough, so is pointing to the name goat. It's just known users beefing with known users, regardless of content.

Like, he surely knows he is talking to you on an account you made to evade your ban off his instance?

It's the outside-the-US meaning that anarchists would typically use, and the US-centric definition is effectively a subset of the general definition when viewed from a leftist perspective, as they're both capitalist with minimal regulation, just in the US it's got the added connotations of being less homophobic and racist etc. then the centre of the Overton window, whereas classic liberalism isn't incompatible with racism and homophobia etc..

"Tankie" is for liberals what "woke" is for right-wingers.

.ml has always been tankies, they've just kept the mask on until recently. But it's mostly the same people and the same talking points

I got the funniest responses to this comment. It was so bad that by the time I tried to respond, the mods had deleted them all already lmao

Someone else posted this yesterday elsewhere. G is only reposting it.

I think part of this is the losing of hope within the left in systems that aren't more forceful like ML, due to the failures of the progressive capitalist/socdem/demsocs in going against fascist and imperialist policy. Also because literally Cuba good (hot take!!!), as much as any other examples of ML end up in corrupt leaders and violence (Laos being anti-LGBT at least, and don't get me started on how China isn't even really ML anymore but rather a capitalist fascist country in the skin of a socialist country).

I'm following this community rn because of ML and I hardly know what Grad is, so that should tell you something.

They've never worn a mask. The saving grace is that the worst of the worst rarely post outside of their safe space. Had grad and hex not been leaky toxic messes. They would likely still be federated.

.ml isn't all tankies like hexbear and grad, but there are a decent amount of them over there.

"To avoid infighting, we've decided to collaborate with the Nazis" – leftist edition

The fact that he uses the term "turbolibs" proves he is already infected with tankie brainrot.

the US-centric definition is effectively a subset of the general definition

Are you sure about that? Can you cite a real world comparative example with specifics (attitudes, views, perspective, key historical points relevant to this conversation)? No meaningless generalities.

It’s the outside-the-US meaning that anarchists would typically use ... when viewed from a leftist perspective, as they’re both capitalist with minimal regulation

If that's the case, are you saying that a liberal in Moldova, Oman and the US are all the same and "capitalist with minimal regulation" is all that they are?

And the points above are just the tip of the iceberg, the kindergarten-level stuff.

So here is another question, so when you say liberals in Oman and the US are a subset of the same thing, do anarchists have the final call of defining who qualifies as a liberal in Oman (or any other country)? Does self identification as liberal play any role or not? This is not a gotcha per se., well, maybe a little bit, I am referring to something specific :), but I am genuinely curious what you have to say on this.

I will say it again, this really is fascinating. There is a certain abstract beauty to the whole obsession with "libs" among American internet "leftists".

Anytime I see anyone use the word "lib" or "liberal" used the way these people do, I can't help but think of Alex Jones. Not really the guy you want your behavior to remind people of, I think.

we're not going to ban tankies on sight

But the start of the blurb on leftymemes says

An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of “ML” (read: Dengist) influence.

... ???

Who are "turbolibs" and why are they trying to keep them happy? ???

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Bizarre how they keep falling for betrayal.

Yeah. Mind-blowing.

Mhmm.

I sense embrace-extend-extinguish.

Speaking of leopards, I got banned from leopardsatemyface, for not conforming to their very very narrow dogma on one topic. Seems like they're already well "established".

Afterthought [from both our experience] : maybe they're just prejudiced and ableist against autistics.

:3

... and/or our blunt honesty, and our critiques of systems and logic.

Ignorance is bliss. No offense intended. I generally agree with most regarding .ml. But grad and hex were really on another level. Generally the worst you get from ml are dogpile downvoted and paragraphs long copypasta or LLM generated dogma screed. Often unrelated to what you posted or just whataboutism.

Grad and hex would perform an organized brigading against you and often leave your inbox a largely unusable.

Jesus, that sounds horrible. And then that one anti-AI community doxxed an ml-type troll for some fucking reason and now they can use that as a "Look what they do to us! For shame, for shame!"
And for what? Why would they fucking dox a troll? Who tf cares enough to do that?

Sorry, got off on a bit of a rant lol
I've heard a lot about that incident but it seems we're not allowed to bring it up or something at the risk of endangering that person again, so nobody has told me the details yet of what happened.

He’d rather own the libs than admit he’s being treated like every single anarchist in history.

Nah, with terminally online cosplayers, the result is almost always "Mask off, actually was aligned with tankies all along" rather than "Principled opposition getting betrayed after alliance of convenience". That's more of a real-world anarchist pitfall.

Tankies give them asspats and don't demand anything of them, while evil liberals and demsocs actually demand some small baseline of action. If one's interest in anarchism is more the sense of community than ideology, they pitch towards tankies hard. The reverse is rarer, despite tankies also being largely of the same mentality, because anarchism is less inherently tribalistic than ML insanity about orthodoxy and revisionism, making it less appealing to a tribalist mindset already immersed in such concepts.

On the other hand, I've known a number of tankies through the years who pitched hard-right once they found community with online right-wingers.

That’s the old blurb, they changed it a little while ago.

That’s the old blurb, they changed it a little while ago.

How little a while ago?

*refreshes page again*

Still says

An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of “ML” (read: Dengist) influence.

looking at it from here.

Weird way to say "I am a proud tankie" but ok

So here is another question, so when you say liberals in Oman and the US are a subset of the same thing

The thing I've noticed about the most vocal leftists here is that they all subscribe to the "spheres of influence" idea, where countries essentially belong to the great power whose sphere they exist in. Such countries (and the people within them) don't have any agency or rights except as afforded by their great power masters. As such, Oman doesn't matter or even really exist.

The tankiest! 🤷🙄

Tankie takeover? I always thought that the whole point of the anarchy instance was to try to pick up all people Russian-Chinese propaganda disguised under communist rhetoric couldn't. It's basically a charismatic facewash that falls back to the last wildcard of just trying to generically shit on governments because "they work against the people - but also, let's create all the systems governments represent while just applying the stroke of its for the people somewhere". In other words, it's the communist mantra except rather than identifying itself as communism it just focuses on identifying governments bad while trying to promote governance but with some mental gymnastic spin.

Not sure the whole lemmy-derived fediverse hasn't been irrevocably tainted by these cult-forming/alt-bot factory communities. You can find instances that defederate from these, the problem is you immediately get a dissected part of the community because they are the baseline founding communities and the resulting conversations have discourse hidden from you that they don't and can freely attempt to manipulate.

Liberalism is a really broad family of conflicting political and moral philosophies, and it's really just the capitalist with minimal regulation bit that's consistently there in all the branches. Most of the time, people are only dealing with different branches of liberalism, and depending on the local politics, there might only be one major political party in a country calling themselves the liberals.

Generally, leftists will talk about liberals and liberalism a lot because they're living under some branch of liberalism, and they disagree to some extent with every branch of liberalism. Socialism, Communism and Anarchism are not Liberalism (and if you want to upset tankies and say it's distinct from communism or upset other leftists and say it's leftist Marxism-Leninism is not liberalism, too). Fascism and Conservatism are also not liberalism, but they're not leftist, either, and to confuse things, lots of political parties calling themselves conservative around the world only want things that fit a definition of liberalism.

I mentioned anarchism and what anarchists think in the previous post because you replied to a post with a screenshot where an anarchist mentioned libs and seemed to think it was ambiguous what he meant, when it's deducible from the fact that he's an anarchist.

Anarchist are just tankies who don't like the term. Kinda like conservatives who say they're libertarians. They're just magas with hammer and sickles.

Naa you're just maga with a hammer and sickle icon. You're still pro-authoritarian

Maybe other people (although it feels a bit too intellectually "dissonant" for it to be viable), but certainly not me.

What is a tankie in your opinion?

The wildest thing is that db0 often argues with Tankies about unity as they repeatedly tell him that they'll kill anarchists if given the chance.

Yet for whatever reason, the few anarchists left on dbzer0 and db0 himself insist on aligning with them.
https://hexbear.net/post/7507322/6879735

Naa you as well. You literally post russian propaganda, and act like Ukraine/NATO is the reason russia invaded... you're a tankie, you just don't seem to want to admit it.

Yeah, lemmy is well and truly dead. you need diversity for a platform to grow and Lemmy doesn't have that since all the "bad diversity" has been removed.

AI generated hammer and sickles

nothing screams anarchist like using GenAI and enabling enshittification.

A now popular word used by "liberals" for anyone that doesn't just regurgitate Western narratives, from what I've seen.

After ChapoTrapHouse on reddit got quarantined, lemmy.ml popped up as an alternative hub for tankies. Afterwards, the more tankie elements of lemmy.ml temporarily moved to lemmygrad to make Lemmy look more attractive for "normies"

Following the reddit refugee wave, Tankies found themselves greatly outnumbered, so they had to bring in hexbear, which was created after ChapoTrapHouse got banned.

And who am I to you? Since most of the shit said about me is blatantly false.

They were ableist towards you as well?

lol, feel free to make that a post of its own if ya want

What are Western narratives?

The person that runs this community. Both have a reputation, and from what I recall you were banned from db0 a while back. That was somewhere around the time you made the totalanarchy community just to place it in time. So db0 giving a tired response to you about tankies just isn't wild to me.