Sure, let’s just call it what it is: Occupied Palestine

Bernie is pretending like the Zionist entity is separable from its government.

He doesn't want to say Israel, because people conflate Israel with Judaism. He's also making the focus a singular discreet and addressable issue, without bringing up the fact that the formation of the state of Israel has been a problem since the Nakba.

The only way you can be “Israeli” and not be complicit in genocide is if you are a minor who does not have the agency to leave occupied Palestine, but does have the will to. It is not possible to live in an ethnostate of your own free will without supporting its inherent genocidal nature.

Being a Zionist is not a culture.

If they’re not Zionists they can leave the Zionist entity.

I mean I'm sure there are those who were born there without the means to get a passport elsewhere. But it's probably a minority, and of those a very small minority that aren't ideologically aligned with the regime.

Sure it is. But think "petri dish".

Zionism is a disease. That’s certainly not the way apologists mean it when they call it a “culture” though.

From the US: I'd like to just gtfo too but it's easier said than done. But yeah I'm looking into it

I mean some Jews don't like calling the Zionist entity Israel and see calling it that as a kind of blasphemy

I hate Bernie btw just adding some context

Israel has democractically chosen Netanyahu many times. Take a random Israeli, they're likely to support this. That is an unescapeable fact.

Bernie is an Israeli Kibbutz colonist. He starts off every statement with "ISISrael has the right to exist".

ironically, Bernie is one of the few potential presidents who probably would have held Bibi off and not gotten involved in their adventures. He's been an outspoken critic.

hate him all you want, but clinton (mentored by fucking henry bomb cambodia kissinger) - and now trump as shown by the last year - never would have reigned him in. Bernie could shrug off AIPAC bullshit in ways none of them could ever hope.

A recent poll showed that a majority of young Israelis are right leaning, more religious and more conservative

Bernie will still tell people to vote for Clinton so in the end what does it matter?

it's called harm reduction. not better than bernie, but better than trump.

unfortunately this is the timeline we occupy. I understand all the reservations with compromised candidates - but it's democracy, not marriage, you don't get to pick the exactly perfect candidate and ignore the harm done by the obviously more hideous candidate. That's not how this works.

It's imperfect, but it's the reality we live in. Selfishly deciding not to participate because your perfect candidate / ideology wasn't met shouldn't mean you choose the ideologically VILE candidate - which is what you've gotten in Trump.

I WISH I COULD HAVE VOTED FOR BERNIE.

But the hellscape that is the middle east would not be where it is today under Harris.

Period.

Fucks sake.

Kamala was supporting genocide and Iran invasions as well there is no difference.

I hear where you're coming from with this, I also can't help hear it as similar to "well not all men!" which, I think most rational people recognize is true. By far and on average it is safe to say "all".

Just like when I teach people about snake bites, you should treat "every bite as it were venomus. It is true not every snake bite is - but is it worth risking death not taking the precaution?

I think it is important to disentangle the people from the state as it does seem like a fast slide into fully anti-Judaic mindsets when it should be fully anti-Zionist / anti-Occupier Israel.

Foreign policy is bipartisan. I understand the idea of harm reduction for domestic issues even if I'm skeptical considering democrats had already thrown trans people under the bus. It's possible that the democrats wouldn't have kidnapped Maduro, but they'd gleefully support the killing of over half a million people worldwide due to illegal sanctions, and they'd definitely have bomb places regardless (look at Obama). Hell, Obama and Biden increased ICE funding and created the conditions for Trump. So sure, vote for the lesser evil, but don't pretend foreigners ever mattered to them, especially those of us living here in our countries where our democratically elected politicians sometimes disagree with your ghouls in chief and then we get collective punishment for it.

As for Bernie Sanders, he's still a Zionist, he has repeatedly endorsed sending more money to Israel and he betrayed the people who voted him when he pretended he cared about Palestinians, going as far as refusing to call the genocide what it was and constantly blaming Hamas which helps manufacture consent for the complete extermination of the Palestinian people. So fuck him.

If you can’t separate a people from their government, we’re virtually all guilty.

Yes to Transfer: 82% of Jewish Israelis Back Expelling Gazans - Archive Ver.

Settlers Killing Palestinians: A History of Impunity

Hundreds Involved in Attacking Arabs and Leftists, but Israel Police Arrest Only Four

Joint militias: How settlers and soldiers teamed up to kill four Palestinians

Classified document reveals IDF ‘firing zones’ built to give land to settlers

2025 pro-Israel mob attack in Brooklyn - guardian - MEE

If you can’t separate a people from their government

???

shouldn’t mean you choose the ideologically VILE candidate

You heard it here, from a BlueMAGA shit head: genocide support isn't ideologically vile, apparently!

But the hellscape that is the middle east would not be where it is today under Harris.

It literally was like that under Biden, who Harris promised to emulate. For fucks sake, you BlueMAGA genocide deniers are as bad as regular Trumpers.

He's not saying Israel because he's a liberal Zionist, and liberal Zionists are currently hell bent on scapegoating Netanyahu as some weird outlier who is solely responsible for all of the evil Israel is doing.

You would have defended Nazi Germany

Shitlibs love appealing to "complexity!" to defend their genocidal ethnostate.

Ahh yes, both sides are the exact same. No reasonable human being could determine the difference between Trump and whatever Democrat is running.

You're glad you dodged the Kamala bullet?

MAGA has made America the vassals of Israel, Russia, and any Sociopathic Oligarch willing to pay off Trump, which is no problem. MAGA is a genuine National Security Threat, and need to crushed decisively, purged from our government and society, and prohibited from existing.

At least Trump is doing everything incompetently.

I think they're specifically referring to the ZOZ (Zionist Occupation Zone)

That’s exactly why he was not nominated by the DNC, who’s leveraged by AIPAC backed candidates.

The whole system is corrupt. Both sides corrupt, one is more open and the other behind the mask.

You clearly can't determine the difference, given you've resorted to outright lies and genocide apologism.

tell that to the school full of children he blew up.

you own that. that's on your stupidity. nice fucking work

even if I’m skeptical considering democrats had already thrown trans people under the bus.

lol. during this admin transfolk have had their licenses revoked.

you're a dummy if you think dems would have been worse.

If you somehow got that message from what I wrote it was certainly not my intent. And again the primary reason Harris lost was the fact that she didn’t condemn the Palestinian genocide while bowing to the will of the fascist state of Israel.

Clearly she’d have been better than this fucked up administration AND her administration was still complicit.

Still banging this drum, genocide supporter?

It was a state move, not a federal one. Do you think the spineless dems would have stood up to states doing fascist shit? Because history shows they sure as fuck wouldn't. They would have told us to vote harder for their very progressive AIPAC funded "unlimited genocide on the Palestinians" senate candidate, who would get in and then immediately capitluate in the name of bipartisanship. I don't know how many more times you need to see this play out.

Literal walls of flame and hospital patients being incinerated in bed on video under Biden/Harris

Not worse, but still bad on trans people, considering Harris campaigned on "obeying the law" and letting states discriminate trans people if they wanted to. Trump is obviously worse.

Harris campaigned on “obeying the law” and letting states discriminate trans people if they wanted to

I don't recall this at all.

Trump is obviously worse.

finding common ground is the first step.

Clearly she’d have been better than this fucked up administration AND her administration was still complicit.

So the trolly problem presents itself: do you pick the imperfect candidate and hope for reason, or do you pout and call everyone else a genocide supporter?

look at the other responses in this thread and tell me: which one leads to a better tomorrow for trans kids, Palestinians, Iranians etc.?

harm reduction is a real thing.