TLDR: "its too soon, come back later"

This is not the end point of ID requirements.

It's just the first step. Eventually, everyone will require to be ID'd. Oh, and we'll ban VPNs while we're at it.

Although getting under 16s off social media wasn’t really the point, getting close to the digital id was - so in that regard yes, it is a success unfortunately.

Nah, it was the point I think. The people who wanted it were genuinely concerned with the welfare of kids and there was evidence to support that the big tech companies are predatory and doing immense harm.

The problem is that having good intentions is never enough. Someone is going to take the opportunity to further their own aims. There is a huge mass surveillance industry backed by people like Peter Thiel that will take full advantage of ID requirements to increase their grip on power

Not only is our political class not smart enough to see the dangers and legislate to protect us, but many have already been lobbied by the surveillance industry.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the orgs that have been pushing the message to protect kids from social media were either part funded or infiltrated by the mass surveillance industry. But I do believe there are people genuine in their concern about social media harms. Many parents put their foot down on this long ago, but unfortunately most did not.

The government didn’t want it to protect the kids. Some in the community misguidedly think it’s necessary, but they were just the scapegoats for the governments authoritarian desires.

Nah. I disagree. There were good intentions from many of our politicians even when some don't know good from bad.

There are still people who go into politics in Australia because they want to make the world better. They aren't all crooks. Of course once you get into politics you want to be successful and when you have a populist policy that will win votes sometimes you don't want to look too closely at the cons.

It's all open to manipulation. There is a very real threat to our privacy, freedom, democracy, sovereignty and more when we supply personal data to these companies. I agree this shit is very dangerous. I don't believe that was the intention. It's just a consequence. Either way we should be concerned.

And as it’s too soon to have results, we’ll push through even more draconian measures while we wait, just in case.

And don’t think for a second just because you’re a parent that you know more, because you haven’t grown up with these things in your life.

I have grown up with social media in my life... Granted my kids are very young...

I think this ban has created more problems than it solves.

I think they should be looking more at the social structures that have made it more and more difficult for kids to socialise in person...

We'll ask Israel if we can do the study later

It's a bit of a stretch to say that the government benefits from asking private companies to verify the ages of their users. Those private companies don't necessarily share their data with the government, and in most cases the information to verify ages isn't necessary useful to the anyway.

Consider TikTok for example. Users of tiktok already routinely upload videos of themselves. So the Australian government telling TikTok that they should also ask for a face photo to verify a person's age... well... I don't think the government or tiktok would really care about collecting that face photo.

Some companies might like the excuse to ask for personal information, but I think the biggest most powerful ones do not want it; because they already have the data they want, and the laws could shrink their userbase.

There is a lot of talk about "ID requirements", but I think it's worth noting that the Australian laws explicitly require that companies must provide a verification method that does not require the scan of any ID card. That's an interesting clause to include if the purpose was to allow companies to collect people's ID information.

So no - I don't think there is any secret motive to the laws. There are a lot of parents (and kids too) that believe restricting social media is a good idea; and that's what the laws are meant to do. Whether it is helpful or harmful is separate question though.

Invisible Internet Project. Not a lot of services available yet, but the more people who use it the more it will grow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P

if the purpose was to allow companies to collect people’s ID information

That wasn’t the purpose. The purpose was to condition people to requiring verification to use things. That way when the inevitable digital ID comes along, people will already be used to having to authenticate themselves to access websites and services, so there won’t be as much pushback.

Parents should be in charge of monitoring/limiting their kids access to social media, not the government. That’s kinda a parents job - raising your children. It’s not the governments job.