This makes me think that this is just a nationalism in the sheep's costume.

Always has been

I would replace patriotism with nationalism. There are patriots who stand up to oppose their own leaders when their conduct is unbecoming. Nationalists would sooner bite their tongue. The lack of introspection makes them react poorly to other nationalists elsewhere.

patriotism is like an incredibly rich fudge. a little dab will do ya

for some reason conservatives lack any ability to self control... theyve essentially poisoned what sliver of goof patriotism stood for..

it will now, and forever be equivalent to 'racist asshole' in the united states. no takin that one back

Nationalism Patriotism for me but not for thee!

People who strongly promote patriotism are usually sad and lonely little people who feel disconnected from any larger group so they artificially inflate their own value in the larger group they are in by default. And then billionaires and facists exploit this

It's okay (if a bit silly, IMO, the nation is too big for me to have any real, deep attachment to it) if their patriotism doesn't involve hating and murdering people around the world, lol. Usually, it doesn't, but for a subset of countries it does.

“Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it.”
— Mark Twain

— Ammon Hennacy

— Utah Phillips

well because its dangerous nationalism in other countries, duh

Patriotism/Nationalism is the only pride of people who have nothing accomplished in their lives to be really proud of.

I am proud of having a wonderful wife and good kids, of making my way up despite coming from poverty, of being good in my job and respected in my hobby.

Their only pride is their color of skin and place where they were born.

But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.

Patriotism is a parasocial relationship with imaginary lines.

-Zachariah

I've dealt with actual nazi/fascist groups in the past and I've read a great deal of their theory material, and I disagree with people saying "nationalism" because the people strongly advocating nationalism kinda advocate it internationally, that every country should be strongly nationalist - which includes control over the national resources, control over immigration, etc, etc, they want this for every country. The mouth-breathing street thugs are just mindless bigots, but here in Latin America, because of high miscegenation, there are plenty non-racist fascist organizations (not gonna call "anti-racist" because they are pretty tolerant of racists) that bond just over xenophobia lol
Main themes are "anti-globalism", anti- anything considered "progressive", etc etc, and I don't know how it goes for white supremacists in the USA since they'd have trouble with land claim and shit, but even European bonehads like Ian Stuart openly support nationalist groups from Africa, Middle-East, East Asia, Latin America, etc, because regardless if they see themselves as superior race, their idea is to keep Europe white, and the rest which to their own ethnic group, and if those other places were Nationalist, they would be more prone to "love their land" or whatever to not immigrate to Europe.

Patriotism for me is a bland word used for political campaigns to evoke a vague sense of duty and sacrifice and make people support their government when their government is fucking them over. Nationalism is a strong ideology that goes beyond the horizontal political spectrum (for Latin America, for example, most right-wing parties use patriotic propaganda with national symbols but are in favor of privatizing national resources to foreign companies - read American companies - , while far left parties use nationalist rhetoric about strong sovereignty and protectionism (average "left" is pretty neokeynesian and, weirdly enough, are going after free commerce blocks )

theyre fascists. feels like the country/govt venn is just a circle to them.

Patriotism is just the US word for nationalism.

More like ultranationalist

This is the view that most ethnonationalists have, having spoken to an ultra nationalists. It's easier to push nationalism internationally because you can say "oh you have your place, leave mine now." Even if that person wasn't born there or ever visited.

More like it actually, yeah.

They make kids pledge alligence to the flag ffs. It's sick.