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Magistrate throws out AI seatbelt fine [given to driver when passenger didn't wear it appropriately] as driver appeals begin clogging courts
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Zagorath aussie.zone Zagorath@aussie.zone
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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#2 · Quote Reply

Isn't that wonderful?

In the advanced year of 2026, with AI eating up all the RAM and storage, that the best image data they can process is still in 1950's greyscale?

What the actual fuck?

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SteveTech aussie.zone SteveTech@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-30
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Isn't that wonderful? In the advanced year of 2026, with AI eating up all the RAM and storage, that the best image data they can process is still in 1950's greyscale? What the actual fuck?

It's infrared, it's designed to work without a distracting white flash going off for every car, just an infrared flash. As it's outside our normal colour spectrum, it's also why seat belts appear white instead of the normal grey.

I've seen white flashes on these types of cameras in China, and it's quite creepy, infrared flashes are only creepy once you know it's there.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#4 · Quote Reply

It's infrared, it's designed to work without a distracting white flash going off for every car, just an infrared flash. As it's outside our normal colour spectrum, it's also why seat belts appear white instead of the normal grey. I've seen white flashes on these types of cameras in China, and it's quite creepy, infrared flashes are only creepy once you know it's there.

I got your point 100%

But still, back to my point, datacenters are eating all the RAM and storage, yet can't even record color photography?

Please explain that.

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Cypher aussie.zone Cypher@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-06-14
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I got your point 100% But still, back to my point, datacenters are eating all the RAM and storage, yet can't even record color photography? Please explain that.

They already explained this for you.

The photo isn’t taken in colour because it’s in infrared.

It is in infrared because it is easier to work with.

Further?

Photos for fines don’t need pretty colours.

Need me to lower the bar again?

The law is black and white and so are the receipts.

Nothing to do with RAM and storage in datacenters. All to do with the camera.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
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They already explained this for you. The photo isn’t taken in colour because it’s in infrared. It is in infrared because it is easier to work with. Further? Photos for fines don’t need pretty colours. Need me to lower the bar again? The law is black and white and so are the receipts. Nothing to do with RAM and storage in datacenters. All to do with the camera.

I've literally programmed nonlinear photochomatic color processing software that works on Windows XP, back in 2013, on potato hardware.

You're preaching to the choir homie, there's no damn reason such cameras should exist in the first place, let alone monochrome.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
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They already explained this for you. The photo isn’t taken in colour because it’s in infrared. It is in infrared because it is easier to work with. Further? Photos for fines don’t need pretty colours. Need me to lower the bar again? The law is black and white and so are the receipts. Nothing to do with RAM and storage in datacenters. All to do with the camera.

Seatbelt is dark, why the fuck is infrared picking it up as white?

We have such advanced technology, why can't the cameras at bare minimum detect a fucking seatbelt?

Color isn't outright necessary, but holy fuck it can't even detect illumination levels?

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PyroVK lemmy.zip PyroVK@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-12-26
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Seatbelt is dark, why the fuck is infrared picking it up as white? We have such advanced technology, why can't the cameras at bare minimum detect a fucking seatbelt? Color isn't outright necessary, but holy fuck it can't even detect illumination levels?

Because the dark color is reflected visible light, it probably reflects more infrared light so looks bright to an infrared camera. We technically shouldn't even be able to see this image at all, it's being rerendered in visible light but as infrared is one "color" it's shown as monochrome

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
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Because the dark color is reflected visible light, it probably reflects more infrared light so looks bright to an infrared camera. We technically shouldn't even be able to see this image at all, it's being rerendered in visible light but as infrared is one "color" it's shown as monochrome

No shit, that's the entire point, IR cameras shouldn't be used at all to 'see' seatbelts...

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NigelFrobisher aussie.zone NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-08-07
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Seatbelt is dark, why the fuck is infrared picking it up as white? We have such advanced technology, why can't the cameras at bare minimum detect a fucking seatbelt? Color isn't outright necessary, but holy fuck it can't even detect illumination levels?

But why male models?

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JoeyHarrington lemmy.ca JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-08-08
#11 · Quote Reply

But why male models?

I got you an updoot back bro. He's probably too young to get it.

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SteveTech aussie.zone SteveTech@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-30
#12 · Quote Reply

I got your point 100% But still, back to my point, datacenters are eating all the RAM and storage, yet can't even record color photography? Please explain that.

But still, back to my point, datacenters are eating all the RAM and storage, yet can't even record color photography?

In addition to what other people have said, the AI used by these cameras is not the same as the LLMs using massive amounts of RAM. Weirdly, computer vision is a lot more efficient than LLMs, and usually performs best with simplified and consistent monochrome images.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
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But still, back to my point, datacenters are eating all the RAM and storage, yet can't even record color photography? In addition to what other people have said, the AI used by these cameras is not the same as the LLMs using massive amounts of RAM. Weirdly, computer vision is a lot more efficient than LLMs, and usually performs best with simplified and consistent monochrome images.

Monochrome?

Fuck, the first GameBoy released in 1989, and that wasn't even monochrome!

Edit for those that don't know, the original GameBoy had four shades of puke green, not two.

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SteveTech aussie.zone SteveTech@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-30
#14 · Quote Reply

Monochrome? Fuck, the first GameBoy released in 1989, and that wasn't even monochrome! Edit for those that don't know, the original GameBoy had four shades of puke green, not two.

Monochrome just means shades of one colour, so the original GameBoy is still monochrome.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#15 · Quote Reply

Monochrome just means shades of one colour, so the original GameBoy is still monochrome.

Monochrome ≠ Multishaded

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SteveTech aussie.zone SteveTech@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-30
#16 · Quote Reply

Monochrome ≠ Multishaded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monochrome

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#17 · Quote Reply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monochrome

No shit, monochrome means the pixel is either on or off.

The GameBoy had 4 shading levels...

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SteveTech aussie.zone SteveTech@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-09-30
#18 · Quote Reply

No shit, monochrome means the pixel is either on or off. The GameBoy had 4 shading levels...

A monochrome or monochromatic image, object or palette is composed of one color (or values of one color).

In computing, monochrome has two meanings:

  • it may mean having one color which is either on or off (also known as a binary image),
  • allowing shades of that color.
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Zulu lemmy.world Zulu@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-17
#19 · Quote Reply

A monochrome or monochromatic image, object or palette is composed of one color (or values of one color). In computing, monochrome has two meanings: it may mean having one color which is either on or off (also known as a binary image), allowing shades of that color.

Man this thread has been excellent to read. Felt like watching a funny man / straight man skit. Props for bringing it home and doing the work.

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over_clox lemmy.world over_clox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#20 · Quote Reply

A monochrome or monochromatic image, object or palette is composed of one color (or values of one color). In computing, monochrome has two meanings: it may mean having one color which is either on or off (also known as a binary image), allowing shades of that color.

In graphics programming, we don't use such terms arbitrarily. Mono=1, plain and simple.

The original Macintosh was proper monochrome, either pixel on or pixel off, a true 'binary image' as your definition states.

You ever try reading or writing graphics software? Nowhere in our code will you ever see anything besides 1 bit per pixel referred to as monochrome.

What the GameBoy has is 2 bits per pixel, which means its a paletted image, and looking past the puke green color of the screen, is otherwise considered a crude form of greyscale, not monochrome.

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