How are those gas power plants going america? Laughs in B.C with full renewable power.

Eh, it will still affect you somewhat, just less directly.

You can still go to the grocery store just fine ... but the truck that brought deliveries to the grocery store so you could buy them? It ran on diesel. As did the truck that delivered the food from the packing plant to the distribution center. As did the truck that delivered the food from the farm to the packing plant. As did all the tractors and other heavy equipment used on that farm. And if they all have to pay more for fuel, your groceries are going to get more expensive. If shortages get so bad that they can't even get fuel, then you might be seeing a lot of empty shelves at the grocery store.

It's nice to have personal independence from fossil fuels, but it's an unfortunate fact that our society and economy as a whole are still very dependent upon fossil fuels.

and then they should be saying, can we get electric trucks so we can avoid this? and the answer is:

The result is a growing array of models available today, from last-mile city trucks to powerful heavy-duty prime movers.

https://www.trucksales.com.au/editorial/details/electric-truck-guide-whats-available-in-australia-150315/

Volvo receives order for 30 electric trucks in Australia and announces production start of electric trucks

https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/news-stories/press-releases/2025/may/volvo-receives-order-for-30-electric-trucks-in-australia-and-ann.html

looks like a yes to me

My diesel emergency storage canisters are ripe for rotation anyway

And the big routes are and can mostly be done by rail, which is very efficient and can be electrified easier than trucks

The US is a net gas exporter so those plants are working just fine.

Rally brings the point home just how precarious it is to be so strongly dependent on fossil fuels

Don't forget. Solar and batteries are the cheapest way to make energy.

China exports billions more of green tech than USA exports fossil fuels.

Sure bud

Yes but it's not like they're going to run out of gas. That's why they built so many of them.

Fossil fuels are used to make the electricity for your electric car. The trucks that supply those plants run on fossil fuels. The trucks your grocery gets delivered from uses fossil fuels.

Unless you live solar off grid, You cant get away from it costing you.

EV owners are simple folk

Maybe where you live.

It's been a net exporter for a decade due to all the fracking. Though they import like 10% of what's used from Canada, they export double that as LNG.

Where the fuck do you live that your infrastructure isn't run off fossil fuels?

You sound proud. The US is a shit stain.

It's an element everywhere, but here in the UK just 28% of electricity was generated from fossil fuels in the last year. Next door, in France it's 3%. That's just two places I happen to be familiar with.

Fossil fuels are not powering my car. It's nuclear, wind and solar powered.

Fuck no. The US sucks ass. I'm just pointing out a fact: The reason the US has so many gas plants is a strategic and business decision. We'll likely pay higher prices for electricity but we're not going to run out of gas for them.

Fair enough. The shithole I'm located in relies on coal for the most part, because why wouldn't it. There is quite a bit of renewable energy that was setup before the current administration chopped the incentives, though.

And the rest of the infrastructure?

The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?

Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.

I'm definitely of the mindset that we should limit fossil fuel use at every level as much as is humanly possible. But that mindset won't actually help anything in the right now.

Our problems are the same but inflected differently.

Yes, but the economies of scale of cargo transport generally mean that the percentage of the total cost attributable to fuel cost is usually pretty small.

Take bananas, for example. If they cost $0.70 per pound at the store, how much fuel could have been used getting a pound of bananas from the plantation to the port, shipped from that port to a port in the United States, then from that port to a distribution center, then to the store? So what would doubling the price of fuel do for the price of bananas?

With more expensive items, shipping (and therefore fuel) is an even lower percentage of the total input costs.

The price of goods will go up with the price of fuel, but not as much as a lot of people seem to assume.

That is a highly misleading figure. 10% of UK renewable energy is generated at Drax, which is not only the UK’s biggest single emitter of carbon, it burns wood pellets imported from British Columbia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Fossil fuels power the tree harvesters, the saw mills, the transport trucks, the trains, the pellet factories and the ships involved in getting that fuel to Yorkshire from half a planet away.

It's better to own the libs than to have resource security, though.

I live in South Australia where the wholesale electricity price frequently goes negative during the day because there is too much solar power.

I could fully charge my car 2-3 times per day from the amount of solar power my house generates. I'm frequently turning down my solar inverters (automated) to avoid paying to export when the grid is overloaded.

Over 50% of all houses in South Australia have solar panels, house battery installation has skyrocketed, and there are many days when the grid is 100% powered by rooftop solar alone – not counting commercial solar plants or wind power, which we also have an abundance of.

New interstate grid connectors are being built and old ones upgraded to try to export more excess energy instead of curtailing renewable power.

It's 7.5% over the last 12 months, and biomass is not fossil fuels. I agree shipping it in is silly, but the carbon it releases during burning is carbon captured in recent years, not millions of years ago. That matters.

...but even if you take it over the other side of the line....it 35% instead of 28%. It also doesn't change the french figure.

Just going to most of this comment I've already made:

And the rest of the infrastructure?

The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?

Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.

There's no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.

Just going to most of this comment I've already made:

And the rest of the infrastructure?

The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?

Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.

There's no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.

Just going to most of this comment I've already made:

And the rest of the infrastructure?

The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?

Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.

There's no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.

And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.

And we're not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.

or so strongly dependent on land thousands of kilometers away. cities themselves are a bit precarious if you think about it

People aren't worried about running out of gas. They are worried about running out of money.

The UK only has a couple days of reserve gas

And some people aren't worried about either. They just got bombed to death.

If there is no money to buy something then it doesn't matter if it's available or not.

For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.

The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn't think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.

Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.

We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.

Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won't be tomorrow, it won't be next month, it won't be next year, it probably won't even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.

so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn't affect me as much as it affects you.

You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won't change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you're not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.

You've ignored the real point of my comment and just focused on the one part I put there as an after thought.

When I said you're not affect as much as I am, I meant in the sense that you're a tiny bit better off. You're going to very much affected by this when the price of literally everything goes up. The fuel prices rising have added less than $30 a month to my budget. That's how much "better off" you are than me.

And as an aside it's a very privileged stance to say it's "time to start thinking long term" I, like many people, are nowhere close to being in the position to be buying an EV.

Also, it's not really the subject of the conversation I care about, it's frustration with your ability to actually understand and listen to point I'm trying to make. You continually miss the actual points of this conversation. You've done it again here by saying you choosing an EV "right now" as if the price of everything else rising will not effect you. You're barely barely better of than those without EVs.

To reiterate one more time, the point of what I've said is that fossil fuels are such a necessary part of all levels of industry that your personal choice to use an EV will not save you from the effect that the price of fossil fuels rising will have on the price of everything in all industries reliant on fossil fuels will cause.

To simplify if you still haven't understood: gas price rise, farming price rise, farming price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, delivery price rise, delivery price rise, food price rise. Shopping container fuel price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, construction price rise, construction price rise, house price rise. Etcetera etcetera, for every level of industry that we both rely upon.

Are you purposefully being this obtuse? The point is that we can't avoid fossil fuels because all of the industries we rely on use them. Getting farmers to change the billions upon billions of heavy machines run off of diesel will take decades upon decades. I'm talking 50 to a hundred years here.

I can't avoid other people using fossil fuels to farm, store, and transport the food that I eat. And that is not going to be changed for decades on decades.

And again, since your reading comprehension is so poor, I am not in a position where I can personally avoid fossil fuels.

You're not escaping the price of food and everything else rising because you have an EV and avoid fossil fuels where you can.

I really don't think I can dumb down any more for you. I think I'm done here. I might check in again when the economic collapse due to oil prices rising happens so I can say I told you so though.

You can't minimise other people's fossil fuel use then. It's like you've never heard of paraphrasing before. I didn't change the meaning at all.

I'm not a proponent of fossil fuels, I would love to move away from fossil fuels entirely. Pointing out your poor reading comprehension isn't really an insult of its factually true, you continue to miss the point. But as I've said the reason I don't have an EV is because I'm not in a position where I could possibly get one, I would have an EV if I was.

What I have been doing this whole time, what you have missed again is the fact that I am talking about the effect of rising oil prices will have on you regardless of your personal choices. That's it, that's the point here. you will be effected whether you have an EV or not why can you not get it through your thick skull that that is the point I'm making. It's not about personal choices it's not about the far far future where humanity might have moved beyond fossil fuels. It's about right now where you will be affected.

You're like a child putting their hands over your ears saying "la la la la la."

I've never said we couldn't live without them, I'm saying right now our lives and industries are so entrenched with them right now that in the immediate short term we are all going to be affected by the oil price rising for a multitude of reasons.

But you're just going to ignore the actual points that I make and talk about the hypothetical future that's irrelevant to right now.

The fact that you can't grasp that I'm not "anti-transition" is astounding. I'm very pro transition to renewables, I would absolutely love to move completely away from fossil fuels. But what you still haven't been able to grasp is that I'm talking about is the rising oil price is going to affect you whether you have an EV or not. It's going to affect you right now because of how much our society relies on fossil fuels right now.

But you're going to ignore my actual point again, aren't you. You have no actual argument so you just won't acknowledge the fact that rising oil prices will infact effect you whether you own an EV or not.