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ikt
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Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
or are we all driving ev’s, using public transport and riding bikes? |
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TheHolm
aussie.zone
TheHolm@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-19 |
EVs are still toys for rich, bikes are too short range for most. So public transport is only option. |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
EVs are still toys for rich, bikes are too short range for most. So public transport is only option. On serious note: No, there is plenty of of other oil available. Prices will go up but not to extreme.
I don't think that's been true for a few years now
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/electric-vehicles/cheapest-electric-car-australia.html The average price of a new car in Australia is $40,000 So you definitely don't have to be rich to have an EV This is also excluding that there's loads of EV's on the second hand market at half that price with 300KM+ range on them $19,950 with 300KM+ range |
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Zagorath
aussie.zone
Zagorath@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
EVs are still toys for rich I don't think that's been true for a few years now If you’re considering buying an electric vehicle, the arrival of cheaper models in Australia means you can now hit the road in a new EV for around the same price as a hybrid or even a traditional petrol-powered model in the same passenger car or SUV segment. This aggressive pricing reflects how competitive the Austra...
According to the RACV the 2026 BYD Atto 1 can be bought new for under $28k drive away. Not even close to being a "toy for the rich". |
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Zagorath
aussie.zone
Zagorath@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
EVs are still toys for rich, bikes are too short range for most. So public transport is only option. On serious note: No, there is plenty of of other oil available. Prices will go up but not to extreme.
EVs are very affordable today. Most trips are short range. Public transport is great especially for the trip most likely to be longer than the average trip: the commute into the CBD. |
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TheHolm
aussie.zone
TheHolm@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-19 |
EVs are still toys for rich I don't think that's been true for a few years now If you’re considering buying an electric vehicle, the arrival of cheaper models in Australia means you can now hit the road in a new EV for around the same price as a hybrid or even a traditional petrol-powered model in the same passenger car or SUV segment. This aggressive pricing reflects how competitive the Austra...
Yeh, situation with prices is definitely improving. But in this moment there is no economic reasons to buy electric car new or used. Petrol will be cheaper and more convenient in both cases. Something like Ioniq you linked will cost 10K in petrol variant, and $10K of petrol can be 10 years worth of petrol. |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
Yeh, situation with prices is definitely improving. But in this moment there is no economic reasons to buy electric car new or used. Petrol will be cheaper and more convenient in both cases. Something like Ioniq you linked will cost 10K in petrol variant, and $10K of petrol can be 10 years worth of petrol.
I mean you can just search this up, click the AI search button and type Ioniq 2020 and it'll bring up all the 2020 ioniq's In this case they're all around the same price, the electrics are actually cheaper And that's not taking into account the EV's that don't have petrol equivalents (eg. the teslas) You also forgot to mention the lack of maintenance EV's need, no more rear engine valve feeder oil lube chain breaking down and needing replacing It's also nice to not have to go to petrol stations or worry about petrol prices :) No oil leaking all over the driveway, nice and quiet... |
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TheHolm
aussie.zone
TheHolm@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-19 |
Something like Ioniq you linked will cost 10K in petrol variant I mean you can just search this up, click the AI search button and type Ioniq 2020 and it'll bring up all the 2020 ioniq's https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=(And.Year.range(2020..2020)._.(C.Make.Hyundai._.Model.IONIQ.)_.(Or.FuelType.Hybrid._.FuelType.Electric._.FuelType.Plug+in+Hybrid.))&sort=~Price In this case they're all a...
Hmm. I stand corrected. they are really same price. |
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Hanrahan
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hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
used to live on the gold coast, went e-scooter and pt, eg (Scoot to Helensvale Train station and Train to Bris, or. us from Harbourtown to the Hospital and Tram to Southport etc) or Walk to Harbourtown for shopping. We deliberately chose somewhere to live to make it easy, rented out our two car spots to the car brained which paid our body corporate fees. My partner used her escoot to get to work Now we live in rural Tassie and bike and EV only, charge both of our solar panels. worried no ? We had our first fuel shock in 1973, and have had several since, so we've been made well aware, much like climate change. That we've ignored it by voting in politicians who have deliberately made it worse for 50 years is just the finding out part of fucking around. Qld just literally voted in a climate denying, car brained state political party and kicked The Greens out federally. Could have voted Green and started to undo the decades if mess but kept digging that hole. |
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MisterFrog
aussie.zone
MisterFrog@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
EVs are still toys for rich, bikes are too short range for most. So public transport is only option. On serious note: No, there is plenty of of other oil available. Prices will go up but not to extreme.
Only because our cities are designed for cars. In Melbourne's it's not bad though (if you live within about 5-7 km of the CBD, depending on your fitness/risk tolerance). |
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MisterFrog
aussie.zone
MisterFrog@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
I'm only worried about inflation. Our transport infrastructure has been heavily weighted towards trucking, rather than rail, and the price of fuel will make transportation of everything more expensive. I choose not to have a car, so I'm not really bothered about that. (RIP to everyone who lives somewhere where they're forced to drive though ☹️) Edit: didn't realise this was the Brisbane Lemmy community, so I guess RIP to most of you 😅. Also while I'm getting my friendly digs in, gl;hf with the Olympics haha |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
I'm only worried about inflation. Our transport infrastructure has been heavily weighted towards trucking, rather than rail, and the price of fuel will make transportation of everything more expensive. I choose not to have a car, so I'm not really bothered about that. (RIP to everyone who lives somewhere where they're forced to drive though ☹️) Edit: didn't realise this was the Brisbane Lemmy c...
that's alright! welcome to the brisbane club! always appreciate the extra noise
that's amazing, I wish I could do that but for example for lunch I just had to drive 15 minutes I could do a lot more make stuff at home but when I do that I end up like a cat staring out the window, pretty miserable |
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MisterFrog
aussie.zone
MisterFrog@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
that's alright! welcome to the brisbane club! always appreciate the extra noise I choose not to have a car that's amazing, I wish I could do that but for example for lunch I just had to drive 15 minutes I could do a lot more make stuff at home but when I do that I end up like a cat staring out the window, pretty miserable
Yeah I'm the same, much prefer being out of the house |
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TheHolm
aussie.zone
TheHolm@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-19 |
bikes are too short range for most Only because our cities are designed for cars. In Melbourne's it's not bad though (if you live within about 5-7 km of the CBD, depending on your fitness/risk tolerance).
So it pretty much means that bikes are only for rich guys who can afford to rent or buy within 5–7 km of the CBD. The problem with cities designed not for cars is that no one would love living in them. Multi-level unit blocks, no thanks; that’s not how people want to live. Good public transport could resolve that dilemma, but I do not see it happening. |
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MisterFrog
aussie.zone
MisterFrog@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-15 |
So it pretty much means that bikes are only for rich guys who can afford to rent or buy within 5–7 km of the CBD. The problem with cities designed not for cars is that no one would love living in them. Multi-level unit blocks, no thanks; that’s not how people want to live. Good public transport could resolve that dilemma, but I do not see it happening.
No, that's how you don't want to live. There are many extremely lovely cities around the world with mid and high density housing. Apartments are only shit because of building regs not being followed and owners corporation laws being not fit for purpose. Single story, single family housing is antithetical to good public transport planning because it means you have to build way more public transport because everything is so spread out. You're right though, if sensible densification isn't done, then riding a bike to places will be out of reach as a convenient method to get around for many people who have to live in the outer suburbs. The comment was just that within a reasonable distance from the centre of the city, riding your bike in Melbourne isn't terrible. Even up to 15km can be pretty good depending on the bike paths in that area. |
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