Anyone else here with similar experiences?

So, I like to think that I can perfectly identify when someone is being sarcastic. BUT, I get super bothered with logical inconsistencies within their sarcasm.

Friend: "Premise X (mostly unsaid, assumed to be common shared knowledge/experience), inference Y (to be assumed by listener), conclusion Z (stated as the opposite of the conclusion because sarcasm)".

Most of the time, X is false/more untrue than true, and Y doesn't make sense.

I: "I understand that you're being sarcastic, but your sarcasm doesn't make sense."

Friend: "It's not that deep bro"

I: "But it still doesn't make sense. Words have meanings, and what you said... Doesn't make sense"

Friend: Gets annoyed/chuckles to themself.

SO. Anyone else here who experiences this phenomenon? It's bloody annoying, and makes conversations frustrating. You either have to shut up and let them continue talking nonsense (which is torture), or interject, thus making a fool out of yourself.

I would need to know the specific scenario to pick a side here. Sometimes people are just making loose sketches of jokes /opinions/arguments and not worrying about being super precise. They understand the shakiness of their position and are essentially just venting or expressing their feelings on it. But other times people think they're being really clever and expressing a legitimate sound line of reasoning, which as you said is extremely annoying. If I have too many instances of the second case with the same person, I just consider them less intelligent and avoid talking to them tbh

I've come to believe the biggest problem with humans' speaking is that most NTs and verbally avg ppl are super sloppy with grammar and semantic logic when they speak because theyre dumb/lazy enough rely solely on others empathy or intuition for their meaning to get across.

I'm constantly noticing others' doing things like:

• transposing names of people or objects in comparisons not once but multiple times during the same conversation
• using precise terms when they mean something general like: "this animated film was based on that live action film because they both use multiple POVs to retell a single event" based on -> similar to
• etc etc

making mistakes is not morally wrong but doubling down on them is.

"it's not that deep"/"don't overthink it" type of responses are a type of gaslighting and even victim-blaming because you were at least inconvenienced by their mistake.

I try to avoid people who say "its not that deep" because they tend to be dumb or very intellectually lazy.

-Your words to not make sense.

-You knew what I meant.

-No, I'm trying to clarify to make sure I do, and it would help if you stopped using words incorrectly.

Somehow I'm the problem in this for calling them out in using words incorrectly. Example, all the people who say "I could care less".

I would need a more specific example of this but if y already does not make sense then it makes some sense that z, which is a response to it, doesn’t either.

Personally i have used sarcasm this way where i respond to nonsense with nonsense. Because i want to point out that it is nonsense and the more socially friendly way to do so is by pretending it made sense sarcastically.

Since being a fully developed adult i more and more discover that i am full of phrases that i picked up/copied with intonation included but that i don't actually understand and can’t really grammatically dissect to understand either.

The problem is i interpreted many of them a wrong way, so I believe i am expressing x as being helpful/friendly, but they understand y as mocking them or something completely different.

"It's not that deep" feels the same as "it's just a joke". No, it's a joke with a point, and that point is wrong. I will not let people smuggle in a bad idea without criticism just because they phrased it as a joke or sarcasm.

I think "dumb/lazy" isn't the correct terminology to describe them. I think the more correct term would be ambiguous. It seems to me that most people aren't as concerned about the true meaning of a word, they're more concerned with the big picture. So to them using a word that isn't exactly correct is not a big deal as long as they can get the big picture across.

I think for them it is more about efficiency than it is about choosing the correct words.

that's really "generous" considering many of them (very possibly most of them) would ostracize or ignore us because of our careful communication.

if they saw this thread, it's indeed less than smart of me to call them dumb, but it's really an expression of desire for retribution, at least socially/intellectually etc, as opposed to sincere intent to stroke them all with the same mental deficiency brush.

speaking of poorly employed phrases, ⬆️there's a bit of round-holed square peg for y'all, plus a hint of misplaced innuendo.

i have some similar experiences.

btw just to tangentialize,

phrases that i picked up/copied with intonation included

is a great skill for learning tonal languages like Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, etc), Vietnamese, Thai, etc!

Also the burning desire to answer rhetorical questions that I know are rhetorical. Or to point out their sarcasm isn’t as clever as they think and look like a jerk.

I just get rid of the association with them by immediately saying maybe you are too shallow. How wreck friends and create enemies.