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floofloof lemmy.ca floofloof@lemmy.ca
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Starmer attempts to make up with the warmongering US president as tens of thousands protest against the bombing of Iran over the weekend


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ikt aussie.zone Eyekaytee@aussie.zone
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why do they keep mentioning world war 3? who plans on joining? china? is it just china they're worried about?

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oce πŸ† jlai.lu oce@jlai.lu
Joined: 2023-07-07
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It's hard to understand why UK would follow again after the debacle in Irak. I guess it's some realpolitik bullshit? At least Spain learned its lesson. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-denies-us-air-base.html

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand feddit.uk yakko@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-01-08
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why do they keep mentioning world war 3? who plans on joining? china? is it just china they're worried about?

Cart before the horse there. Two-sidedness is something that tends to crop up in world wars, but it's not how they seem to begin.

So far they seem to begin by multiple concurrent conflicts yes, and-ing each other until every large entity is involved. When the fate of Taiwan might depend on what happens in Iran, and the fate of the Baltics depends on how well Ukraine defends against Russia, what do you call that if not a world at war?

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ikt aussie.zone Eyekaytee@aussie.zone
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Cart before the horse there. Two-sidedness is something that tends to crop up in world wars, but it's not how they seem to begin. So far they seem to begin by multiple concurrent conflicts yes, and-ing each other until every large entity is involved. When the fate of Taiwan might depend on what happens in Iran, and the fate of the Baltics depends on how well Ukraine defends against Russia, what...

China and Taiwan have been on the map for ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_window

The concept gained widespread attention following CIA Director William J. Burns' 2023 statement that, according to U.S. intelligence, General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Xi Jinping had instructed the People's Liberation Army to be ready for a Taiwan invasion by 2027.[2]

Europe has been at war with Russia since 2022

what do you call that if not a world at war?

You're right, it'd be a world at war but I wouldn't classify it as a 'world war' unless China plans on invading Europe or America or is it just over the island themselves?

I think it'd involve more than a big war over Taiwan or Ukraine, these would just be big proxy wars

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand feddit.uk yakko@feddit.uk
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China and Taiwan have been on the map for ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_window The concept gained widespread attention following CIA Director William J. Burns' 2023 statement that, according to U.S. intelligence, General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Xi Jinping had instructed the People's Liberation Army to be ready for a Taiwan invasion by 2027.[2] Europe has been at w...

I don't think we can be that clinical about the strict definition of a world war when we only have two examples to work from. We could end up with half the world economy spent on war and still be calling it proxy wars all the way down.

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ikt aussie.zone Eyekaytee@aussie.zone
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I don't think we can be that clinical about the strict definition of a world war when we only have two examples to work from. We could end up with half the world economy spent on war and still be calling it proxy wars all the way down.

I mean if there's only 2 countries being invaded: Ukraine and Taiwan and everyone is fighting through them it doesn't feel like we here in the western world are really on the brink

It won't really feeeel like a world war to me until Europe or America or Australia etc are actually getting invaded, it's just a large glorified proxy war

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand feddit.uk yakko@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-01-08
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I mean if there's only 2 countries being invaded: Ukraine and Taiwan and everyone is fighting through them it doesn't feel like we here in the western world are really on the brink It won't really feeeel like a world war to me until Europe or America or Australia etc are actually getting invaded, it's just a large glorified proxy war

I mean, come on. Does it feeeel like there are several concurrent genocides happening at this moment?

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SaneMartigan aussie.zone SaneMartigan@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-05-27
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why do they keep mentioning world war 3? who plans on joining? china? is it just china they're worried about?

If anything I'd expect China to take the opportunity to expand their own borders rather than join in on someone else's war.

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WalleyeWarrior midwest.social WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social
Joined: 2026-01-03
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It's hard to understand why UK would follow again after the debacle in Irak. I guess it's some realpolitik bullshit? At least Spain learned its lesson. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-denies-us-air-base.html

Because the government believes in the war. That's why they have made any criticism of Israel illegal. Starmer is literally just a return to Blairism which is why Labour is so unpopular now.

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GeeDubHayduke lemmy.dbzer0.com GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
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British leaders and appeasement. I'm not seeing any issue here.

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redsand infosec.pub redsand@infosec.pub
Joined: 2025-04-09
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It's hard to understand why UK would follow again after the debacle in Irak. I guess it's some realpolitik bullshit? At least Spain learned its lesson. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-denies-us-air-base.html

Because Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein operated in the UK extensively and Andrew was just the tip of the iceberg. Israel probably has blackmail on Starmer and much of parliament.

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RobotToaster mander.xyz RobotToaster@mander.xyz
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why do they keep mentioning world war 3? who plans on joining? china? is it just china they're worried about?

The first world war was started by two bullets in Sarajevo.

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flabberjabber lemmy.world flabberjabber@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-26
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Because the government believes in the war. That's why they have made any criticism of Israel illegal. Starmer is literally just a return to Blairism which is why Labour is so unpopular now.

It's not even Blairism friend. It's corporate light bullshit with a dash of authoritarianism thrown in. At least under Blair, services were well provided for. There was no NHS black-hole and social care wasn't at breaking point. There was no laying authoritarian ground work for a incoming fascist frog by abandoning any pretense of personal freedom.

Whilst Blair never really challenged the status quo in any meaningful way, be that reform of either house, evolution to PR or tackling the wealthy's grip on society, he didn't actively seek to worsen it either. For many, his government levelled the playing field economically; and his funding of services benefitted generations of Britons.

Starmer's government is a thinly veiled imitation. One that wraps quasi-austerity in a spending bow whilst making one authoritarian move after another. Lurching from age verification to increased powers to stop legitimate protest.

They are not the same. We'd be better off with a lettuce. But will probably end up with a fascist frog thanks to him betraying his mandate.

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20dogs feddit.uk 20dogs@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-12
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Because the government believes in the war. That's why they have made any criticism of Israel illegal. Starmer is literally just a return to Blairism which is why Labour is so unpopular now.

One of the most economically interventionist governments in decades. Hardly Blairism.

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