Fuck conservatives.

Go away

I am asking a serious question, Does this show actually have any fans?

Yes it does.

I hadn’t even heard of this till now.

Is it better than Discovery?

I watched a couple episodes and they took the parts I liked the least about Discovery and made a whole show about them.

I concluded it’s not really made for me so I’m rewatching Lower Decks

With the exception of the Section 31 movie, everything they’ve made has been better than Discovery.

Academy is certainly different but I think it stands well on its own merits, including good character work, respectful use of existing canon, and a strong emotional core.

I don't love the show, but I would say I'm a fan. It's way better than DISCO, that's for sure. I have a hard time watching the timeline more than the "woke" shit haters complain about.

That’s a bad sign given how much I dislike Discovery and enjoy Lower Decks, thanks

Self-proclaimed Star Trek fans gatekeeping the universe so hard that they hurt Jonathan Frakes makes me irrationally angry.

He's one of the few genuinely good ones. Don't be like that.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that the question was asked in good faith, but I highly doubt it actually was.

My wife and I are fans, it is not without problems, but neither is TNG, or TOS.

I like it

This. TNG would trigger conservatives if it were in today.

Remember when Ricker feel in love with the non-binary alien and they had a whole discussion about pronouns? It's been thirty years and these guys still aren't over shit like that.

And specifically fuck them for making so much noise about representation that actual criticism gets drowned out.

I’m worried that the creators will think anyone who doesn’t like the show has a worthless opinion and won’t learn and improve, and may even double down.

Yeah, the only reason there wasn't a concerted anti-woke campaign against Trek back then was the technology just didn't exist to enable people with minority opinions like that to easily find each other.

Still, they were there. I remember some BBS Trek guys being "that guy" at a few Trek conventions in the 90s, they were just usually solo or in tiny groups.

Yes. There are also people that like to lick buttholes and smell farts.

Can you please elaborate a bit more, because I really didn't like discovery and I don't want to be disappointed again.

Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.

It’s not perfect—nothing is—but it’s impressively good and enjoyable. Yes, there are some quieter or seemingly "boring" moments from time to time, but these are usually when you need to pay attention, as they pay off big time soon after.

That being said, —and this isn’t necessarily aimed towards you personally— if you’re the kind to snub an entire series barely 5 min into it after mindlessly watching while doomscrolling, then repeatedly trashing it online to justify your lack of interest, then, no, it will not satisfy you, just like nothing else will.

Fluff off.

It’s much more focused on the emotional development and relationships between the characters. Academy feels like a teen drama, which isn’t something I liked even when I was a teenager.

You may have dropped right before it really started paying off.

I just love how people trash nu trek then confess they haven’t even actually listened to half of it. And this is exactly what the article above is about.

You say you hate Discovery, did you actually actively watched it? Like, ALL the episodes?

That could be caused by TNG being overall great, hence getting painful feedback wouldn’t be that common, as opposed to whatever fanfiction they’re filming these days.

The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987. By the time TNG went off the air, it was still largely AOL chat rooms.

DS9 and Voyager were the shows for the online generation.

That's not a "serious question". It's personal judgement framed in a way as to suggest it's the obvious conclusion of any rational person, to the point it's insulting to the show and anyone who does like it. It's bullying behavior that only serves to poison attempts at actual discussion.

So I'll echo the other user and say - go away.

They're not fans. It's just shameless, mindless profiteering using the "hate gets more clicks" dogma that the incompetent media outfits have adopted as a mainstream.

Seriously. Star Trek is "woke" first and science fiction second. Gene wanted to make an integrated show, he didn't particularly care if it was science fiction or not.

There are legitimate problems with the show, as there are with all new shows. But all the assholes complaining about “wokeness” drown it out.

Hell, TOS triggered them. The problem is that they’re all anybody hears these days.

Imagine if TNG season 1 got bad reviews but because of the tone of the reviews they didn’t bother changing anything. It wouldn’t have gotten better.

TNG actually DID get reactions like that, but they were on little newsgroup boards and shit where only serious nerds saw it. The whole origin of "i remember when startrek wasn't for hippies/feminists/gays/liberals/etc." sentiment originates with TNG criticism.

It was just as stupid then as it is now, but now we all apparently have to hear it.

I know, I’ve been to alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. But imagine if those nerds were used as an excuse not to change course. What if they said “Frakes, you can’t grow your beard or those nerds win.”

Agreed. I actually don't even think these opinions are more common than they used to be, just that they are amplified to serve the agendas of jerks who agree with them and have the resources and influence to signal boost them into actual pressure on the media.

I’m going to give it a miss in that case, I’ve never enjoyed that sort of drama either.

I don't even like the show, but there are ways to be critical of someone's work without being so mean that you cause them to make a public statement about it.

90% of people on the internet don't even know what tact is anymore, and it definitely shows.

For what is worth, they are doing a much better job of it. It's never gonna be my favorite trek, but it's not bad.

My wife, who is a Trek fan for the past 15 years or so, likes it. She didn't care for Picard or Discovery.

Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.

Objection. I've seen very little professional behavior from anyone except maybe the Doctor and the Commandant, and of course Admiral Uncle. Some leeway can be granted, given the setting, but it's something I very much miss from the TNG era.

Well shitty product + the internet = lots of fans complaining. Some of whom are of course going to be assholes and take it way too far.

Exactly, us woke people should be demanding better woke representation in media, not this superficial bullshit in modern Trek.

eh, i think Academy is pretty much on par with discovery.

Academy is basically Harry Potter in Space.

I liked the last episode more than any other in the season, despite it being maybe the least Star Trek one?

Previous one was ridiculous. Oh, these "kids" are traumatised by a bad experience? Let's fix that with theatre! All together, 'cause of course everyone can heal with the same "therapy".

I still hope this series can turn out to be good, after all TNG itself didn't start out great. But it seems they want to bash you over the head with emotions and ideas, rather than make you feel and develop them yourself.

I gave it 5 episodes. They just got progressively worse to the point of irritation, so I skimmed the episode summaries for the rest of the season and saw:

As far as modern live-action trek goes SNW is still the best by far even though the last season was terrible.

Thx.

Thx. I get it. Not for me either.

But I'm not worried. For sure something gritty and political will be made at some point in the future.

There’s still Strange New Worlds, which is one of my absolute favorites. Especially the musical episode.

That’s exactly what the showrunners were going for.

Apparently it continues the story of Discovery so a lot of people don’t like it for that reason.

As someone who desperately wanted to go to Starfleet Academy most of his life: These are not the elite kids I thought would be in it.

“I swallowed my comm badge” is something a toddler would say, not a Starfleet Cadet.