The formula for a fascist is liberal plus time, multiplied by war

Lol this is like ngo concern troll bingo. Be specific, name the marginalized communities

Haha, you think the epstein class will allow you to vote away their fascism

People like thay exist. In the same way that 40 year olds high five themselves for still fitting into the pants they wore in hs.

That is pretty wild. I didn't know any of this .. I just thought "communist dystopia is dystopian". The fact that you can take a hit to the credit score for engaging in protests and demonstrations is still scary .... no one show this to Republicans.

Did you go to China and verify this? Of course not. Everything you know about China comes from imperial core states, corporations, and NGOs (which are funded by those same states & corporations). Over a century of anticommunist propaganda has primed you to believe their narratives.

They have to keep pushing these narratives for the same reason Coca-Cola has to keep advertising their brand, despite already being wildly popular. Advertising/propaganda requires constant maintenance. Previously.

Okay, so you’re an op? Good to know, “Chinese citizen, transfem, formal front-end developer” with a 6 day old account that posts nothing but anti-China slop 👍 The lady doth protest too much.

Maybe the anti-China bots are trying to up their game.

Okay. Thank you for your service.

You lived in China for 28 years and claim that ”the 996 work schedule is the norm”?

Yeah, you’re an op. GTFO.

In a world where credit is allocated on the basis of trust, all credit is social credit

The fact that you can take a hit to the credit score for engaging in protests and demonstrations is still scary

I was saying that this sort of thing actually doesn't really happen. The social credit score for the most part is just an ordinary credit score and is only meaningfully affected by finances. Some localities made an attempt at implementing the "social" aspects of the system and subtract small amounts for certain criminal offenses, but it barely makes a difference.

Engaging in protests and demonstrations gets you the same thing it gets you here; tear gas, pepper balls, beatings, and possibly prison time & a criminal record. The hysteria around the social credit system is very silly when the actual dystopian shit is so glaringly obvious, and occurs in both China and the US.

But enough about the US.

Lmao Chinese can't even move to the other cities of their own country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou

Just orientalist vibes, no sources in sight.

Fake. The face is visible.

Shit. I thought that was Dennis Reynolds for a second.

TBF, credit can’t exist in any world without trust.

Of course. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I just hope CIA propaganda loses any appeal it may have outside of the imperial core. As for inside the core, it's hard for me not to feel 'doomer' about the state of the working class. I think there would have to be a sudden, extreme change in material conditions before the working class would start to 'wake up' en masse here.

"A central rationale of such policies, particularly in first tier-cities, has been to prevent severe overcrowding, infrastructure overload, and the emergence of large-scale slums during China's rapid industrialization and urbanization phases. Shahid Yusuf, a Senior Adviser in the World Bank’s Development Research Group noted that the hukou system served as a "cornerstone of China's urbanization strategy" by controlling migration and channeling migrants toward small or medium-sized cities rather than allowing unchecked inflows to the largest urban areas."

this sounds...good?

I don’t care what other countries do to a degree where we need to intervene their governance with military or covert actions, I don’t understand their culture, their history, their people, their way of thinking to force democracy across the world. I only care about protecting our country, our people and leaving the world the fuck alone. I feel like that’s how most of the world works.

Engaging in protests and demonstrations gets you the same thing it gets you here; tear gas, pepper balls, beatings, and possibly prison time & a criminal record.

Not entirely false, but the scale & severity is much worse in the US, and they’re ramping up for more.

Not necessarily bad, but definitely indoctrinated, as many of us once were. The truth is a series of bitter pills, and the government and media aren’t going to offer them to you; they’re going to distract you from them. Which is easy to do, given how bitter the pills are.

You can’t possibly be a minority in China, what with all those intact organs.

do Chinese high-level officials openly live lavishly and flaunt their wealth

How many Chinese high-level officials have you seen on yachts?

flaunt their wealth like US leadership?

The real leadership in the US isn’t the politicians; it’s the capitalists who own them.

If you’re in a position to make decisions for a non-compliant corporation, then it does indeed become personal, but you can opt out of the C-suite at any time, or you can get your company in compliance.

Edit to add: You may not like it, but this is what peak dictatorship of the proletariat looks like.

Where do you get your news from? Not going to continue to argue, but I'm just curious

Why don't you correct me instead of marking my comment as bigotry and removing it? I said that China's social credit system is just an ordinary credit system much like ours, and that is bigotry how, exactly? Explain it to me.

It's wild, you don't even have to say anything bad about China to piss you off, you just have to talk about it neutrally without constantly praising it as a socialist utopia.

Very fair question. We’re not pro-Putin. We’re not even Pro-Russia. We’re pro-a few, specific actions that Russia has taken and is taking. Previously.

how come other countries don't need this insane oppression? Also did you finish the actual wiki page?

During the Great Chinese Famine from 1958 to 1962, having an urban versus a rural hukou could mean the difference between life and death.[33] During this period, nearly all of the approximately 600 million rural hukou residents were collectivized into village communal farms, where their agricultural output—after state taxes—would be their only source of food. With institutionalized exaggeration of output figures by local Communist leaders and massive declines in production, state taxes during those years confiscated nearly all food in many rural communes, leading to mass starvation and the deaths of more than 65 million Chinese people.[34]

The 100 million urban hukou residents, however, were fed by fixed food rations established by the central government, which declined to an average of 1500 calories per day at times but still allowed survival for almost all during the famine. An estimated 95% or higher of all deaths occurred among rural hukou holders. With the suppression of news internally, many city residents were not aware that mass deaths were occurring in the countryside at all. This was essential to preventing organized opposition to Mao's policies.[35]

The bootlicking is crazy here.

I concede.
There is no social credit, people not being allowed to travel in trains, rent or buy property, get government appointment is a myth.
The Chinese government cannot compel any company to handover data. There is no censorship on china, no websites are banned there. You can criticize the government as much as you want without repercussions. People from Tibet have equal rights and citizenship of China. Ughyurs are not being oppressed, neither are the fallongongs who are just a cult

If anybody believes otherwise, it's a hoax by the west.

Cheap sarcasm won’t bolster your case.

A family register? Japan also does that.

Interesting, you recognize it as sarcasm.
Curious to why you think this is sarcasm, if none of it is true? Isn't that a conundrum?

You understand that assertions are neither arguments nor evidence, even when they’re delivered sarcastically, right?

it's not just a register. As Chinese you literally need a permission to relocate otherwise you are essentially a 2nd class citizen and cannot use public services like hospitals or schools or as in the OP's meme "buy a house".

It's almost impossible to get Hukou approved to economically rich zones like Shenzhen so basically it's not even a unified country in that sense as if you're born in a shit-middle-of-nowhere village you are literally stuck there as an economic slave unless you find a way to game Hukou or just ignore it and remain a 2nd tier citizen with significantly reduced rights.

I'm speaking from experience as there are legit top tier developers stuck in nowhere china because they just can't move to Shenzhen unless they find an powerful employer to bribe the system and if you are neurotypical or disabled you are completely fucked. Guess what they do with all that talent and no legal means to capitalize on it?

Even European Union which is a collection of many completely different countries has more rights in citizen migration. isn't that crazy?

I agree with that statement. So what would be evidence?

Here's my anecdote, which is not evidence by any means and you don't need to believe it. I practiced wushu when I was growing up and was always interested in different martial arts. I understand some are more practical than others but I have always been keen about how the top practitioners from each martial arts would perform against others. One of the examples was Xu Xiadong, who was a mid tier mixed martial artists went around beating masters of kungfu and even offered money if they could beat him. To which many accepted the challenge, of course he won all of them. So he was hit with defamation from what I understand for defaming the masters and showing the culture in wrong light. We can argue with the verdict. But either way he was to pay a fine and to apologize, which he did. He was also ordered to not demean chinese martial arts again, which he didn't comply, so he lost social credit for not complying with the court. He was still challenging masters but he was not allowed to compete with his name and had to put clown makeup to compete. And to get to his fights, he couldn't take fast trains or plane, he couldn't rent hotels, houses or buy property, because he lost social credit. Again this is not evidence, it's my anecdote, I could have pulled this out from my ass.

Now what is evidence? News? [1] [2]. Or his interviews e.g. [1]? But maybe he just an actor because there are no official chinese government news sources that have reported this?
What about the articles about an app which would show if there are any people in debt around you? The app created by the government and tested in Heinan province [BBC], is that evidence or probably just propaganda or just assertions?

And about censorship in china, what is evidence?

I am not here to say american system is better. In fact it sucks. But this doesn't mean chinese system is better, I think it sucks too. I think it's an example of authoritarian regime who can dictate what is fake news and ban the said fake new, about the same Trump is trying to do now, what russians have been doing all long. I am not from USA and don't live there, I am from a social democratic country and we had the youngest PM (also SD). We also have one of the best press freedom in the world, not the best but top 5. China is one of the worst only better than North Korea and Eritrea. If there is no freedom of press, it's probably an authoritarian country. Again you could say the press freedom index is a propaganda against china, as no chinese state sanctioned media has reported that they are not free.

I would like to point out Jimmy Kimmel who made joke about charlie krik and got fired. Thankfully people from both left and right came together to make that unhappen, because that would be against press freedom. Now imagine what would happen if you did that in Russia, China, Eritrea or North Korea.

P.S. Marxist internet Archive is also one of the blocked websites in china. And I know I am not making a good case of 'not being banned in here, but whatever', at least I feel i have tried to have honest discussion.

how come other countries don’t need this insane oppression?

They do. e.g Moving in the United States is quite expensive. While it's not restricted by law, it's restricted by class.

Home ownership in socialist States like in China is way higher than in the capitalist ones as well

This conversation is buried deep below the fold in a two day old post, so I’ll be brief. I don’t have the time or energy to look into this martial artist.

And about censorship in china, what is evidence?

No one will deny that China has censorship. We do as well, but it’s more subtle, covert, informal, and sophisticated, which Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky have explained in great detail. China’s censorship is largely out in the open. It’s made clear where the lines are. The press freedom in bourgeois democracies, A.K.A. social democracies, is the freedom of the media owned by the capitalist class and by the government, a government which is run by the capitalist class.

What are we arguing about then? I thought the argument is about one being better than other to which I disagree. Just because the censorship is transparent (which is another point of contention) doesn't make the censorship ok and the censoring body "not authoritarian". Bias exists, everybody is biased, it is very hard to be unbiased unless one grows up in a vacuum, even then it's not a given. I think it's harmful if the bias is hidden or if certain biases are censored, that is a mark of authoritarian government. If a government can covertly, subtly, informally, and sophisticated-ly censor parts of the narrative, cherry pick theirs and declare what can or cannot be published, I see that as a clear authoritarian government. This can make it that one person can rule for ever and any body that even questions this, can be made illegal and censored in the name of peace and harmony. If that is not authoritarian/dictatorship, then I don't know what is.
I am not claiming the freedom of media owned by government owned by capitalist class is press freedom. But you have to believe there are press media that is netural, and some countries that thrive to have a netural press which has transparent press donations and funding which is used to judge how neutral or bias is the press. One example being Reporters sans forntiers who carry out this investigation and rankings.

On the note about government run by a capitalist class, what would you estimate the premier of China (Xi Jinping's) monthly salary and net worth is? How much would that be compared to minimum wage. Is it transparent? Are there any country that you can just call somewhere (e.g. tax office) and ask a public figure's salary and net worth and they would tell you. I assume in an ideal system this would be possible and not censored, you'd be able to see which of the politicians profited from "playing the stock market"?

On the note about government run by a capitalist class, what would you estimate the premier of China (Xi Jinping’s) monthly salary and net worth is? How much would that be compared to minimum wage. Is it transparent?

Yes, the compensation for civil servants is public information. Am I supposed to do your basic research for you?

President Xi's official monthly salary was approximated around ¥11,000–12,000 RMB (~$1,500 USD), based on extrapolation from China's civil service pay scale for national-level officials. "级差八九百，国家主席月薪大概1万多". This reporting however dates to 2014 and explicitly frames the figure as an estimate, not an official disclosure. China does not routinely publish itemized, real-time compensation statements for top leaders on public government portals.

As with other senior leaders, the role includes regulated, position-based benefits to support official duties: an official residence in Zhongnanhai, access to designated medical facilities for senior cadres, official vehicles and so on.

Yeah could you, since you have found it. I haven't, clearly my basic research ability is lacking. Can you point me where the salary of public servant is public including the premier's and validated by a neutral body?

But China is capitalist.