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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
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TheReturnOfPEB
reddthat.com
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comJoined: 2024-05-01 |
I'm not sure how I think and feel about the drug. I'm very happy for people that can get a handle on their bodies and diets. That is really pleasing. Even people I don't like when I see them losing mass as a result of its use I'm happy for them as individuals. But it makes me think of it is as at type of recreational drug use. And that moral quandary of quantifying when drug use is transgressive and when it is not when the goal is chemically altered happiness. |
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oreoreore
lemy.lol
oreoreore@lemy.lolJoined: 2026-02-09 |
Now if we only stopped thinking that willpower is some magical fairy dust we were all granted when we turned 18 and not using it "correctly" indicates moral failure. For real, this just boggles my mind. All this neuroscience, psychology, biology and so many still somehow believe in some vague magical essence that is totally independent of any biological or environmental factors. |
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
I'm not sure how I think and feel about the drug. I'm very happy for people that can get a handle on their bodies and diets. That is really pleasing. Even people I don't like when I see them losing mass as a result of its use I'm happy for them as individuals. But it makes me think of it is as at type of recreational drug use. And that moral quandary of quantifying when drug use is transgressiv...
I don't see it as "recreational" because it has a quantifiable benefit to physical health. |
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TehPers
beehaw.org
TehPers@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-21 |
I'm not sure how I think and feel about the drug. I'm very happy for people that can get a handle on their bodies and diets. That is really pleasing. Even people I don't like when I see them losing mass as a result of its use I'm happy for them as individuals. But it makes me think of it is as at type of recreational drug use. And that moral quandary of quantifying when drug use is transgressiv...
I think this is a good point. For many people who take it, the goal is not to address a physical health concern (those people can address it through exercise which they still need while taking these medications), but to make themselves happy by making it easier to lose weight that they believe is excess. Now I'm of the opinion that their self-image being so negative is more of a mental health problem (and I'm specifically not referring to people who are extremely obese, diabetic, etc here), but regardless, it's not my place to prescribe them a treatment for their own issues. If these medications make them happy, then whatever. The issue we have today is an issue of scarcity. Ozempic is expensive as fuck and isn't accessible to the people who need it. For example, my sister in law is morbidly obese and has physical and genetic disorders that lead to a drug like this being lifesaving to her. She can't really afford it even with insurance, but it's not really a choice. One thing to keep in mind though is side effects. These drugs aren't all sunshine and rainbows. There are risks associated with them. For people who need them, the benefits usually outweigh the risks, but for "recreational" use, those risks should naturally be taken into consideration by whoever's taking the drug. |
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luciole (they/them)
beehaw.org
luciole@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
Man the corporate agro-industrial complex must be so excited about how the corporate pharmaceutical complex is pioneering for a humanity with limitless tolerance to fat and sugar. The shareholders will be delighted! |
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howrar
lemmy.ca
howrar@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-04 |
Man the corporate agro-industrial complex must be so excited about how the corporate pharmaceutical complex is pioneering for a humanity with limitless tolerance to fat and sugar. The shareholders will be delighted!
This drug does the opposite. It reduces appetites so people eat less. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
I'm not sure how I think and feel about the drug. I'm very happy for people that can get a handle on their bodies and diets. That is really pleasing. Even people I don't like when I see them losing mass as a result of its use I'm happy for them as individuals. But it makes me think of it is as at type of recreational drug use. And that moral quandary of quantifying when drug use is transgressiv...
and what is the problem with that? |
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theneverfox
pawb.social
theneverfox@pawb.socialJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Now if we only stopped thinking that willpower is some magical fairy dust we were all granted when we turned 18 and not using it "correctly" indicates moral failure. For real, this just boggles my mind. All this neuroscience, psychology, biology and so many still somehow believe in some vague magical essence that is totally independent of any biological or environmental factors.
It's not a willpower problem, it's a processed food problem. Depending on something wishy washy like "willpower" to a very predictable cause and effect is a very dumb approach to public health It's like relying on enlightened self interest to distribute vaccines |
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oreoreore
lemy.lol
oreoreore@lemy.lolJoined: 2026-02-09 |
It's not a willpower problem, it's a processed food problem. Depending on something wishy washy like "willpower" to a very predictable cause and effect is a very dumb approach to public health It's like relying on enlightened self interest to distribute vaccines
That's my point. Willpower (independent of biology+environment) isn't a thing to begin with. |
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Wilco
lemmy.zip
Wilco@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Man the corporate agro-industrial complex must be so excited about how the corporate pharmaceutical complex is pioneering for a humanity with limitless tolerance to fat and sugar. The shareholders will be delighted!
Uhmmm ... that's not how it works. The main feature is the appetite suppression ... that is VERY real. |
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