Link: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Paying-without-Google-New-consortium-wants-to-remove-custom-ROM-hurdles-11204037.html

Pay securely with an Android smartphone, completely without Google services: This is the plan being developed by the newly founded industry consortium led by the German Volla Systeme GmbH. It is an open-source alternative to Google Play Integrity. This proprietary interface decides on Android smartphones with Google Play services whether banking, government, or wallet apps are allowed to run on a smartphone.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116200110686604617

It's literally the same crap, just "under the new management".

Graphene doesn't say it's not open source. Graphene critizes that the manufacturer decides what operating system the user may use.

How do you get banks to participate? Those things can only happen if regulators make everyone do it.

Yep, we need EU to start acting on this. Establish alternative infrastructure and force companies to support custom ROMs.

The most toxic tech account after DHH. Good grief.

German

lol. Nothing is going to happen, and people will still be surprised about it.

It doesn't really matter in the context of this particular topic. They've highlighted the problem and I think in here we should abstract from their personality and their conflicts with Murena & Co., and focus on the problem itself.

And the problem is that, regardless of who's implementing the attestation technology and regardless of who is critizing it, the very concept of device attestation based on OEM/Google/Apple/Murena/GrapheneOS/whoever approval is harmful and anti-consumer at its core.

No matter who owns the authority to decide which devices are deemed "good" and which are deemed "bad", this authority shouldn't exist at all. Only the user should be in charge of the decision of which os to use — be it Google's Android, GrapheneOS, MIUI, eOS, PostmarketOS or MS-DOS — OEMs/Google/Murena/etc should have no say in it.

Can we add that access to banking apps should not be limited in the same way either. I've got two credit cards that can only be managed on android play store apps (plus im guessing iOS) since they took away their websites which worked perfectly fine and allowed anyone to get access at a library at a bare minimum (Virgin - fuck you). Then, one app (HSBC UK - fuck you even more!) who won't let you use any unknown apps that overlay others - so it won't work without me removing my fucking lawnchair launcher. That's right, not disabling it, not giving me the option to "take the risk", I have to uninstall it! I trust lawnchair hundred times more than your unnecessarily large sized app with random unnecessary permissions.

I'm not using one card so it just sits as a cost to them and looks good on my credit. The other I'm a bit stuck as used it to get a cheap loan but it'll be a while before I want to pay it off so switched on paper statements and uninstalled the app. I'll never use their other products though as a result...

So as long as I seem correct, I can be as rude as I want to? Flaming, slander, projection, is all fine?

Totally agree that nobody should have this power. However we don't live in a perfect world and a slight improvenent is much better than none.

They are 2 separate issues. You can be correct and also be a dick while doing it.