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64bithero
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64bithero@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-01-27 |
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davel
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davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
Other than an accomplished sniper, I don’t know. I’m more interested in who had him killed. |
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64bithero
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64bithero@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-01-27 |
Other than an accomplished sniper, I don’t know. I’m more interested in who had him killed.
Fair point I’ve made a question update |
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spittingimage
lemmy.world
spittingimage@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-20 |
I did it. Elvis paid me to. |
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Alas Poor Erinaceus
lemmy.ml
zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-12-18 |
Getting into crackpot territory here, but I think the assassination might very well have had some connection to MKULTRA. The CIA destroyed all the files related to this, and so unless they missed some, we'll probably never know for certain. |
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Today
lemmy.world
Today@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I met a guy named Sam Pate. He was a radio guy in Dallas in the 60s and was live on the air when it happened. He told me that the shooter escaped down the storm drain (they were much bigger then before the street was resurfaced), went through the tunnels under the city, and was on a plane to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead. https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/sam-pate-oral-history/ |
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davel
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davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
This isn’t my bailiwick, but I think Peter Dale Scott and Arron Good may have some of the best answers. I don’t pay much attention to the matter, but IIRC, James Angleton and the Dulles brothers very likely were involved. It helps to ask: who covered up what really happened? |
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TiredTiger
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TiredTiger@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-02-22 |
I suspect the involvement of the CIA or some of their rogue assets, either mobsters or gusanos. He was allegedly warming towards Cuba, and I think that may have been part of the motivation. Blowback Season 2 made a pretty convincing argument for that scenario. |
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theywilleatthestars
lemmy.world
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-23 |
A guy he played Diplomacy with in college. |
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Postmortal_Pop
lemmy.world
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-30 |
I think Kennedy is a mole trap. It's the most well documented conspiracy ever, literally the textbook example of conspiracy theories. Every detailed has been looked at time and time again by every pair of braincells ever interested in conspiracy. There's absolutely no chance that the government doesn't have every single facet of it fully understood. Instead of giving it a case closed and a pretty bow, they leave it out there as a test. Any time some quack comes out with "secret insider information" and mentions Kennedy, they know they can write him off because anyone that really knows would know the Kennedy thing is a joke. Every so often an agent has to go stir thr pot by asking this question so everyone still thinks it's important. |
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actionjbone
sh.itjust.works
actionjbone@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-09-12 |
I did it. Elvis paid me to.
Are you sure it wasn't a lizard man disguised as Elvis? |
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davel
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davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
I think Kennedy is a mole trap. It's the most well documented conspiracy ever, literally the textbook example of conspiracy theories. Every detailed has been looked at time and time again by every pair of braincells ever interested in conspiracy. There's absolutely no chance that the government doesn't have every single facet of it fully understood. Instead of giving it a case closed and a pret...
We assassinated the president and covered it up so that we can more easily identify conspiracy theorists. How is there any utility in being able to identify a few crackpots—only the ones who happen to crack their pot on this one particular event? How is Identifying crackpots of any use to the state? |
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notsosure
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notsosure@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-10 |
I liked the book “not in your lifetime” which strongly points towards local mafia having the means and motivation to pull this off successfully. |
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BlueSquid0741
lemmy.sdf.org
BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Getting into crackpot territory here, but I think the assassination might very well have had some connection to MKULTRA. The CIA destroyed all the files related to this, and so unless they missed some, we'll probably never know for certain.
Wherever I see MKULTRA I immediately think 'Mortal Kombat Ultra' |
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Alas Poor Erinaceus
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stupidcasey
lemmy.world
stupidcasey@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
I did it. Elvis paid me to.
Ok, CIA. you do know the CIA used this exact same tactic of associating legitimate theories with conspiracies right? Like I don't know the Epstein files. But let me ask you this: in a case we know was an assassination that anyone involved would cover their tracks in a case with so much chicanery and blacked out information and contradictory information is it really so unbelievable that someone was helping or hired an assassination of the president? We know how invasive and omnipresent the surveillance is of our modern government, imagine how much more it would be during the height of the cold war or shortly after. |
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mannycalavera
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mannycalavera@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-07-02 |
Because guns are so easy to acquire for mentally disturbed people in the USA it was simply a mad man with access to dangerous weapons. Not the answer you wanted to hear, but the right one. |
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dwt
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dwt@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-22 |
I think it pretty likely that guns killed him. Possibly multiple guns. |
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Postmortal_Pop
lemmy.world
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-30 |
We assassinated the president and covered it up so that we can more easily identify conspiracy theorists. How is there any utility in being able to identify a few crackpots—only the ones who happen to crack their pot on this one particular event? How is Identifying crackpots of any use to the state?
Think of it like an expert playing dumb to catch someone lying about their specific field of study. If I go out and say I'm a former government agent who had access to the must classified of classified documents, someone has to actually look into that on the off chance it's real. If I follow by mentioning I know the truth about Kennedy, you can basically close the case there as there's no "truth" to be known. |
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Dessalines
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dessalines@lemmy.mlJoined: 2019-04-17 |
CIA and the MIC for sacking Dulles, warming to Cuba, and indicating that he would slow down / put the brakes on interventions in Vietnam and SA. JFK was still an anti-communist imperialist, but he increasingly thought the best strategy for winning the cold war, and getting the world to line up behind US wasn't more war, but soft-power initiatives like the space race, and more equitable economic ties with global south countries. His disagreements with chancellor Dulles led to his killing, Dulles' restoration, and Dulles heading the investigation of JFK's murder. |
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Count042
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Count042@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-11-09 |
Allen Dulles. |
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秦始皇帝
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QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-02-03 |
The CIA (but mostly Allen Dulles and his cronies) |
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spittingimage
lemmy.world
spittingimage@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-20 |
Are you sure it wasn't a lizard man disguised as Elvis?
Shit. I've been conned. |
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davel
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davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
Because guns are so easy to acquire for mentally disturbed people in the USA it was simply a mad man with access to dangerous weapons. Not the answer you wanted to hear, but the right one.
There is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong. — Mencken People not only don't know what's happening to them, they don't even know that they don't know. — Chomsky |
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whiskers165
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whiskers165@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-04-25 |
I love the theory that the second shooter was a secret service agent accidentally shooting their gun and hitting Kennedy while surprised reacting to the first shot, jumpy twitchy trigger finger. Explains the weird trajectory discrepancies Idk if I believe it but I like it lol |
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Alas Poor Erinaceus
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zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-12-18 |
I must say that from the Zapruder film, it really does look like he was shot from the front the second (?) time. Somewhere down the JFK assassination documentary rabbit hole, I remember one commentator saying something like "we're trying to determine the reality of an event from a series of two-dimensional moving images," or something along those lines. Anyway, noodling about this probably isn't the best use of my time . . . |
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OBJECTION!
lemmy.ml
Objection@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-04-30 |
> Fires the guy whose job was assassinating heads of state > Gets assassinated > Guy who got fired gets on the investigative comittee which fucks up the investigation Who could it be 🤔 |
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Fleur_
aussie.zone
Fleur_@aussie.zone Joined: 2025-04-23 |
Pfft you believe in the Kennedy assassination? |
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Weydemeyer
lemmy.ml
Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-12-04 |
CIA and the MIC for sacking Dulles, warming to Cuba, and indicating that he would slow down / put the brakes on interventions in Vietnam and SA. JFK was still an anti-communist imperialist, but he increasingly thought the best strategy for winning the cold war, and getting the world to line up behind US wasn't more war, but soft-power initiatives like the space race, and more equitable economic...
Castro and Khrushchev were feeling very positive towards JFK in the period just before he was assassinated. Castro never wanted hostile relations with the US in the first place (which makes sense for a very small country positioned just off the coast of the US). Likewise the USSR never wanted to just annihilate the US and in fact one of the causes of the Sino-Soviet split was that Khrushchev was interested in peaceful co-existence with the US. My own theory is that the Cuban Missile Crisis had a profound impact on JFK and Khrushchev. These were the only two men in human history who were both just a button push away from potentially destroying humanity. I think they both stood on the brink together and left that conflict with an understanding that things couldn’t go on like they had up to that point. The idea that Cuba or the USSR had anything to do with assassinating JFK is absurd, IMO. |
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agamemnonymous
sh.itjust.works
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-15 |
Harry Coin |
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Crackhappy
lemmy.world
Crackhappy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-09 |
It was the one armed man! |
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