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Dave
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Dave@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-02 |
I think this is not directly politics but rather a discussion on nitrates so have posted here. A selection of key quotes from the article:
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BaconWrappedEnigma
lemmy.nz
BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz Joined: 2025-06-27 |
N.B. A normal water filter doesn't remove nitrates. You need ion exchange or reverse osmosis which aren't the standard charcoal filters used to make drinking water taste better. |
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BlueÆther
no.lastname.nz
BlueEther@no.lastname.nzJoined: 2023-06-08 |
as an aside, in fish-keeping you aim to keep nitrates below 5ppm, and in many cases below 1ppm. The drinking water limits are there for 2 to 10 x what most people would keep fish in |
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Dave
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Dave@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-02 |
N.B. A normal water filter doesn't remove nitrates. You need ion exchange or reverse osmosis which aren't the standard charcoal filters used to make drinking water taste better.
Oh good context. The article mentions farmers facing considerable costs installing water filters, but it doesn't specify why the costs are high. Do you know if anything is done in town supply water to remove nitrates, or do they just aim to use water sources that are less affected? The article mentions farmers and rural areas being the ones affected by this so my assumption is urban areas don't really have this problem. |
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deadbeef79000
lemmy.nz
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-06-17 |
I'm going to assume that the minister for drinking water is going to try and double the limit. |
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BaconWrappedEnigma
lemmy.nz
BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz Joined: 2025-06-27 |
Oh good context. The article mentions farmers facing considerable costs installing water filters, but it doesn't specify why the costs are high. Do you know if anything is done in town supply water to remove nitrates, or do they just aim to use water sources that are less affected? The article mentions farmers and rural areas being the ones affected by this so my assumption is urban areas don't...
We would need some transparency on which "suppliers" have had high readings. One would think that data would be readily available given that the suppliers are supposed to collect the data and report it. All I can find are aggregate data reports, at least from Taumata Arowai. Here is the part of the Water Services Act 2021 where it says:
Having the producers check their own work can create measurement bias. Yeah, the testing happens via accredited labs but think of the case where a single unelected person can decide to time collections around weather events to obtain more desirable results. The long and boring "Factsheet: Drinking Water Regulation Report 2024 and Network Environmental Performance Report 2023/24" points our that:
I can't find any consistent raw measurement data on Taumata Arowai's web site. It looks like the 2023 data had median nitrate concentrations per supply (seems to be median for the year) but they've further aggregated / obfuscated that in the 2024 data. My guess is that the data is a mess with a bunch of missing measurements and they are embarrassed to make it public. It doesn't seem like a scandal so much as just slow uptake. Their most recent annual report boasts increases in reporting compliance. AFAICT, an OIA would be required to get a jumble of messy data; and then, likely, a weekend to make sense of it all. You might be able to see some outliers pretty quickly though. If your water comes from a lake / river, or is pumped up from a valley with upstream agriculture, then you probably want to check the measurement data. For my town, there's a catchment up in the hills that feeds the towns water supply. Less than 100km away, they are pumping ground water out of a bore at the base of a valley with a high level of agriculture. Even the old measurements from the Greenpeace Map show the difference in testing levels between those two setups. The catchment in the hills has low / barely any; while the valley shows elevated levels. That jives with the explanation from LAWA on "How does nitrate enter groundwater?". |
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BaconWrappedEnigma
lemmy.nz
BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz Joined: 2025-06-27 |
I'm going to assume that the minister for drinking water is going to try and double the limit.
Like when MBIE tested for herbicide / pesticide residuals in food, and then it came back too high, and then ten years went by where they didn't publish any new testing numbers, and then they tried to increase the limit of some by 100-fold, and then thousands of people submitted on it? |
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Dave
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Dave@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-02 |
Do you know if anything is done in town supply water to remove nitrates, or do they just aim to use water sources that are less affected? We would need some transparency on which "suppliers" have had high readings. One would think that data would be readily available given that the suppliers are supposed to collect the data and report it. All I can find are aggregate data reports, at least from...
Thanks, heaps of cool info. That Greenpeace map shows that even town supply water can vary a lot. Most of the larger North Island places have hardly any nitrates. I was surprised to see Taranaki and the Waikato having largely ok results, with their concentration of dairy farming. Holy hell that rural Christchurch/Ashburton area though, with many way outside the current limits, and almost all of the area above what should probably be the limit! |
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deadbeef79000
lemmy.nz
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Like when MBIE tested for herbicide / pesticide residuals in food, and then it came back too high, and then ten years went by where they didn't publish any new testing numbers, and then they tried to increase the limit of some by 100-fold, and then thousands of people submitted on it?
Yes. Exactly. But, does everyone just ignore the impact on share holders? What about their dividends? If we have to spend money to avoid polluting where does it come from? The back pocket of Mom and Pop investors expecting that dividend? How are you... Sorry. Can't keep it up. |
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