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LaFinlandia
sopuli.xyz
LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-06-01 |
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HumanOnEarth
lemmy.ca
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-08-23 |
This is all going to be over within six months one way or another. The dynamics of this might factor in somewhere along the line but there is a 0% chance that we get to a year from now in the same state of affairs that exist today. |
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FlordaMan
lemmy.world
FlordaMan@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-19 |
This is all going to be over within six months one way or another. The dynamics of this might factor in somewhere along the line but there is a 0% chance that we get to a year from now in the same state of affairs that exist today.
I thought the same last year, and the year before and the year before… |
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SeductiveTortoise
piefed.social
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-07-16 |
I thought the same last year, and the year before and the year before…
And before that, I didn't think Russia would be willing and or dumb enough to invade. |
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lmdnw
lemmy.world
lmdnw@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-07 |
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bluGill
fedia.io
bluGill@fedia.io Joined: 2024-08-15 |
This is all going to be over within six months one way or another. The dynamics of this might factor in somewhere along the line but there is a 0% chance that we get to a year from now in the same state of affairs that exist today.
Why would you think that? Ukraine is doing okay now but they have a lot of ground to win. Russia has made it clear they don't care about the cost to then and so they will grind on so long as they have any land, and maybe longer |
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rockerface🇺🇦
lemmy.cafe
rockerface@lemmy.cafeJoined: 2025-06-29 |
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There are still Ukrainian citizens living on most of the occupied territories, including Crimea. Burning down the whole place, unfortunately, isn't an option as they're effectively hiding behind hostages. |
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lmdnw
lemmy.world
lmdnw@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-07 |
There are still Ukrainian citizens living on most of the occupied territories, including Crimea. Burning down the whole place, unfortunately, isn't an option as they're effectively hiding behind hostages.
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Tar_Alcaran
sh.itjust.works
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-10-06 |
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There are many, many "ethnically Russian" people in crimea whos families have lived there since long before the soviet union. Thats entirely different from the "oh look how cheap these recently unoccupied houses are!" people |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Why would you think that? Ukraine is doing okay now but they have a lot of ground to win. Russia has made it clear they don't care about the cost to then and so they will grind on so long as they have any land, and maybe longer
Yeah but everything is in the toilet for russia, and they can't claim anything else, so I'd just dismiss what the kremlin says. |
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NotMyOldRedditName
lemmy.world
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-24 |
It's great watching this in real time. More and more strikes are hitting air defence targets making it harder to defend against meaning more strikes succeeding. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
My bet is that as the russians are doing absolutely everything to pretend all is a o kay (remember the kremlin narrative is that they ate "unstoppable"), the first sensed weakness is actually the start of the downfall. Recently Ukraine explodes an air defense radar a day it seems, that is just not sustainable at all, and Ukraine doesn't seem to be slowing down, more going faster and faster. Good luck Ukraine, slava Ukraine!! |
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AmidFuror
fedia.io
AmidFuror@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-11 |
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Does it matter if the Russians moved there before or after Russia captured Crimea from Ukraine? |
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lmdnw
lemmy.world
lmdnw@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-07 |
Does it matter if the Russians moved there before or after Russia captured Crimea from Ukraine?
Yes and don’t sanitize your language. Russia stole the land through violent invasion and didnt even have the balls to do it openly and had to send in their unmarked mercenaries. Prior to Russian invasion, Russians who moved to Crimea immigrated and became Ukrainian. After Russia invaded, illegal Russian colonists (re: settlers) moved in and stole Ukrainian land. |
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VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt
lemmy.world
VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-25 |
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Slight problem with your plan, it's rather difficult to differentiate a persons nationality or their allegiance from a drone. |
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feddit.org
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-24 |
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Delulu take tbh |
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Klear
quokk.au
Klear@quokk.au Joined: 2025-08-14 |
Slight problem with your plan, it's rather difficult to differentiate a persons nationality or their allegiance from a drone.
Also, you know, it being a crime against humanity. |
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Nangijala
feddit.dk
Nangijala@feddit.dk Joined: 2025-02-28 |
Fuck Russia. Ukraine ❤️ ❤️ |
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Cethin
lemmy.zip
Cethin@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-07-01 |
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It appears that one potential goal is to take out the air defence, show that they can destroy the Kerch bridge but leave it intact, then deny fresh water into Crimea (it comes in from the west). This puts them under siege, with a path out still, and a deadline. Just targeting them gives Russia propoganda and makes the Russian people think Ukraine is evil and resist them. That's not what you want. Forcing them to leave still makes them scared and costs them money, and it forces them to spread the message wherever they end up. This is a much smarter move. |
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VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt
lemmy.world
VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-25 |
Also, you know, it being a crime against humanity.
Yes there is that pesky little thing. |
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auraithx
lemmy.dbzer0.com
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-18 |
Yeah but everything is in the toilet for russia, and they can't claim anything else, so I'd just dismiss what the kremlin says.
It was until very recently. Nice windfall from oil price spike should give them plenty of funds |
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rockerface🇺🇦
lemmy.cafe
rockerface@lemmy.cafeJoined: 2025-06-29 |
There are many, many "ethnically Russian" people in crimea whos families have lived there since long before the soviet union. Thats entirely different from the "oh look how cheap these recently unoccupied houses are!" people
Those are either Ukrainian, Crimean Tatars or descendants of russian imperial colonialists. So no, I don't mean those people, I mean actual Ukrainians and Tatars being held hostage |
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mojofrododojo
lemmy.world
mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-25 |
It's great watching this in real time. More and more strikes are hitting air defence targets making it harder to defend against meaning more strikes succeeding.
yup. there's no quick replacements coming for those BUKs, and they're EXPENSIVE as fuuuuck. And russia may not even possess the tech required to replace them at this point. |
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NotMyOldRedditName
lemmy.world
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-24 |
yup. there's no quick replacements coming for those BUKs, and they're EXPENSIVE as fuuuuck. And russia may not even possess the tech required to replace them at this point.
Even more likely after they blew up Russia's 2nd largest microchip facility last week or whenever it was. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
It was until very recently. Nice windfall from oil price spike should give them plenty of funds
That won't last and it is just a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd need. Also, that is just economic, russia is on a death spiral everywhere else too. |
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auraithx
lemmy.dbzer0.com
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-18 |
That won't last and it is just a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd need. Also, that is just economic, russia is on a death spiral everywhere else too.
The Strait will be economically unviable for 2-5 years minimum now they've laid mines, and their profits are only going to increase as Europe inevitably has to start buying more from them. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Total Military & Security Budget: For 2026, Russia has budgeted approximately 16.84 trillion rubles ($217 billion) for "national defense" and "national security." Daily Estimated Spending: This equates to roughly $595 million per day spent on the military and internal security apparatus combined. Daily Windfall: Russia is earning an additional $150 million to $550 million per day in fossil ...
8 (potential) mines and you jump to conclusions... 2-5 years? Why not 1 to 100? Believing the russian states numbers too lol! And europe "has" to buy oil from russia, you sure believe the kremlin propaganda. Lol |
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auraithx
lemmy.dbzer0.com
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-18 |
8 (potential) mines and you jump to conclusions... 2-5 years? Why not 1 to 100? Believing the russian states numbers too lol! And europe "has" to buy oil from russia, you sure believe the kremlin propaganda. Lol
You don't need 100 mines to stop trade; you only need the possibility of one. Full minesweeping operation across contested waters: 6–12 months minimum under favorable conditions Insurance markets require a sustained incident-free period: 6–12 months after clearance 2 years is a floor estimate. 2-5 the likely range, it could go higher. Proxy actors funded by Russia retain the capability to re-mine at any point, restarting the clock If the Strait of Hormuz stays closed, the US is the only supplier with enough scale to even attempt to fill the gap. To get that gas, Europe would have to outbid Asia. This will result in energy rationing & industrial shutdown. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
You don't need 100 mines to stop trade; you only need the possibility of one. Full minesweeping operation across contested waters: 6–12 months minimum under favorable conditions Insurance markets require a sustained incident-free period: 6–12 months after clearance 2 years is a floor estimate. 2-5 the likely range, it could go higher. Proxy actors funded by Russia retain the capability to re-mi...
Focusing on the only point where you're not totally off the rocker won't help lol. A shame because those kind of discussions are usually interesting. Putin is losing and there is nothing anyone can do more than prolong the suffering. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
It's great watching this in real time. More and more strikes are hitting air defence targets making it harder to defend against meaning more strikes succeeding.
Also losing the air war becomes a very slippery slope very quickly, the basic strategic mechanisms at play heavily favor the winner winning even harder the more they win. A lone air defense system is just a target, it only becomes a counter when it is integrated in a network of supporting air defenses and other elements. Once the sky is full of Ukrainian drones hunting down anything that dares to turn on a radar or present itself as an obstacle to Ukraine's relentless long range drone strikes, from directions Russia cannot even begin to predict where from.... not only has Russia fallen behind in a crucial element of the fight, they have been kicked out of the air war and had the door locked behind them so they can't get back in. Another point, the more that drones are used to take out air defenses, the closer Ukrainian aviation can get to lob glide bombs on Russian positions, which also has a massive non-linear effect upon the frontline calculus. |
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auraithx
lemmy.dbzer0.com
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-18 |
Focusing on the only point where you're not totally off the rocker won't help lol. A shame because those kind of discussions are usually interesting. Putin is losing and there is nothing anyone can do more than prolong the suffering.
Wtf are you on about I addressed all your points apart from the number which is estimated by combining: independently observed oil price moves, export volumes, the discount at which Russian crude sells & the share of extra revenue that actually reaches the Russian state. If you have a better number im all ears. Before this shock, Russia looked like it had about 1 year of relatively easy fiscal cushion left. With oil prices rising due to the Strait disruption and a temporary U.S. waiver allowing delivery of some stranded Russian cargoes, that timeline is likely extended, possibly by a significant margin, wtf is controversial about that ? Oil is currently just above the level that stabilizes Russia’s budget. |
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Feathercrown
lemmy.world
Feathercrown@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-06 |
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This is a disgusting idea |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Wtf are you on about I addressed all your points apart from the number which is estimated by combining: independently observed oil price moves, export volumes, the discount at which Russian crude sells & the share of extra revenue that actually reaches the Russian state. If you have a better number im all ears. Before this shock, Russia looked like it had about 1 year of relatively easy fis...
I'm sorry I thought you had more points, your whole idea that the straight of Hormuz will be closed for 5 years is actually your only point it seems and it is just not true. There are iranian tankers crossing it now. |
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auraithx
lemmy.dbzer0.com
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-18 |
I'm sorry I thought you had more points, your whole idea that the straight of Hormuz will be closed for 5 years is actually your only point it seems and it is just not true. There are iranian tankers crossing it now.
My point was *economically unviable. |
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😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈
lemmy.world
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-04 |
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 |
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MartianRecon
lemmus.org
MartianRecon@lemmus.org Joined: 2024-06-10 |
It's great watching this in real time. More and more strikes are hitting air defence targets making it harder to defend against meaning more strikes succeeding.
I've been saying this for months with my circle of buddies. The slow, methodical SEAD is like drilling holes in a dam. Enough holes happen then catastrophic failure happens. The drone war on the ground has changed ground combat, but air dominance for either side would completely change the balance of the fight. Great job Ukraine, slow and steady seems to be winning the race here. |
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MartianRecon
lemmus.org
MartianRecon@lemmus.org Joined: 2024-06-10 |
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They will leave on their own soon as Ukraine starts threatening their land. |
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NotMyOldRedditName
lemmy.world
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-24 |
I've been saying this for months with my circle of buddies. The slow, methodical SEAD is like drilling holes in a dam. Enough holes happen then catastrophic failure happens. The drone war on the ground has changed ground combat, but air dominance for either side would completely change the balance of the fight. Great job Ukraine, slow and steady seems to be winning the race here.
I like your dam analogy, I think its one of the better ones ive seen on this topic. |
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MartianRecon
lemmus.org
MartianRecon@lemmus.org Joined: 2024-06-10 |
I like your dam analogy, I think its one of the better ones ive seen on this topic.
A friend and I were talking about it and he likened it to a controlled demolition as well. You don't need to vaporize a building to make it collapse, you just need to hit the correct structures for it to collapse on it's own. Both work, but holes in a dam is more gradual than a controlled demolition in my mind. What Ukraine has been doing for years now is extremely measured and smart warfare. They've been holding where they can, ceding ground where they can't, and they have been methodically taking out logistics, AAA, and radars. These irreplaceable things eventually will create gaps in coverage, which can lead to increased air dominance in those localized areas. That air dominance will translate into gains on the ground, as drones can't do shit to fighter jets yet. It's costly warfare in terms of the manpower Ukraine has lost, but it's really smart fighting. |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
excellent news. |
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