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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
This post from a defense news website that I have read many articles on that is fairly straight forward and technical in its descriptions of military topics was removed because Jordan Lund saw "Blog" in the title and didn't bother to read any farther? https://sopuli.xyz/post/42317112 https://defence-blog.com/israeli-firm-signs-deal-to-test-black-eagle-50e-drone-in-u-s/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/defence-blog-bias-and-credibility/ Does this sound like a blog about frivolous opinions that would bring down the quality of posts on a politics community? Does this pass the smell test to you? I would think this was just another mistake, but Jordan Lund has a pattern of behavior around this topic that I find extremely problematic, and I think it was one of the reasons he was removed as a mod at Lemmy.World. https://lemmy.world/post/36621226 See this post where Jordan Lund removes a post from Dropsite News a highly regarded news source that is directly referenced by many mainstream news outlets and includes among other stalwart journalists, Ryan Grim. https://lemmy.world/post/41068936 https://www.dropsitenews.com/about https://www.unftr.com/blog/progressive-spotlight-ryan-grim
Also https://sopuli.xyz/post/19888013 https://lemmy.world/post/36976275 https://lemmy.world/post/26943875 https://lemmy.world/post/27393569 https://lemmy.world/post/36493647 I am extremely disappointed to say the least from having such a worrying and bad experience on such a sensitive timely political topic right after I had a good experience with the overall Lemmy.World instance mods from my previous post.
sigh This is a problem. edit How do I best escalate this to an instance admin issue at Lemmy.World? |
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Susaga
sh.itjust.works
Susaga@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-12 |
All you had to say was "Jordan Lund". He's well known in this community. He's done this before. |
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mrdown
lemmy.world
mrdown@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-20 |
I shared it on my community apologiafreenews@piefed.social |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I shared it on my community apologiafreenews@piefed.social
Thank you |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
All you had to say was "Jordan Lund". He's well known in this community. He's done this before.
I know, I partially made this post as a collation of the most obvious stuff because the more research I did the more worrying this got for me. |
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XLE
piefed.social
XLE@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-23 |
How do you view removed posts? |
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Diva (she/her)
lemmy.ml
Diva@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-10-25 |
Classic jordanlund. PTB |
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Fizz
lemmy.nz
Fizz@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-12 |
Dropsite news is not a highly regarded news source and Ryan Grimm is not a good journalist. |
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TropicalDingdong
lemmy.world
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-29 |
Dropsite news is not a highly regarded news source and Ryan Grimm is not a good journalist.
Ftfy. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Dropsite news is not a highly regarded news source and Ryan Grimm is not a good journalist.
Cite your sources or stop casually spreading misinformation. |
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TropicalDingdong
lemmy.world
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-29 |
Jordan lives in last century regarding what journalism is and how it occurs. They come from a previous generation regarding editorial and content standards, and maybe the rule set was good for the period of 2005-2015, they effectively have ossified and refused to adapt to a continuously changing media landscape. Major changes happened from 1995-2005 and their content standards reflect that. However, its clear that is published anything on a platform too young to vote, isn't journalism according to Lund. The reality is that things have changed massively in the previous 40 years of journalism, and you can no longer discount reporting, journalism, or analysis based on its source or format or platform. Dropsite news, Zeteo, etc. They have editorial boards. They have journalistic standards. They issue corrections. Likewise, youtube is as valid a platform as the NYT when it comes to journalistic content. The idea that the only valid form of content for political discussion needs to be in a form which existed before 2005 is ridiculous. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Jordan lives in last century regarding what journalism is and how it occurs. They come from a previous generation regarding editorial and content standards, and maybe the rule set was good for the period of 2005-2015, they effectively have ossified and refused to adapt to a continuously changing media landscape. Major changes happened from 1995-2005 and their content standards reflect that. How...
I wish it was that innocent but I see a clear pattern of censorship of criticism of Zionism and Israel and a pattern of burying news about the Palestinian Genocide. To ignore that in your framing is at best naive. This isn't a joke, this isn't abstract, the Palestinian Genocide is roaring along as we speak, choices have consequences. |
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Universal Monk
lemmy.dbzer0.com
UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-20 |
It's .world. Don't expect logic. You'd be better off to block them and start your own communities. .world is the reddit of Lemmy. lol |
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
I mean, the site self-identifies as a blog. I'm not sure what you expected. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I mean, the site self-identifies as a blog. I'm not sure what you expected.
Cool the words are the same, do you think this source is really honestly a "blog" under any meaningful definition that would exclude it from high quality politics and defense discussion? Is your position that the moderation of that community has a vendetta against the world "blog" but otherwise does not care about the quality of articles submitted? |
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lumpenproletariat
quokk.au
Deceptichum@quokk.auJoined: 2025-06-09 |
Not having a go at the validity of your source and I would 100% allow the post on !world@quokk.au, but damn MBFC is such a joke.
“It’s least biased because it has a bias” imagine taking the time to write something so contradictory and asserting yourself as an authority on media bias. |
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southsamurai (he/him/pronoun agnostic)
sh.itjust.works
southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-19 |
Well, at this point, I don't think this can be called PTB. Not because it isn't a poor decision, it was. But because that's a long standing policy of the c/ that isn't going to change, and has been debated to death already. Regardless of any opinions about the policy, or individual removals, JL is pretty consistent in being zero tolerance with anything that smacks of blogging. That isn't a power trip, it's just a really persnickity rule. Since no other action was taken, it can't be overreacting either. Mods gotta mod. The point of them being there is to keep a community on a given path, whether we agree with that path or not. It only becomes PTB when there's something other than basic curation going on. And that's what this is. Fwiw, I don't agree with the totality of the rule, and disagree with this specific post actually breaking it, but it ain't my c/ to curate. I suspect, like you, that the presence of blog in the url is the cause of that decision. That being said, blog spam disguised as news is a problem, and having to track down every damn site individually is beyond what it's worth to have the posts there. I dunno, it's difficult to say much more without just debating the validity of the site, which isn't useful here, so I avoid doing so whenever possible. I guess to sum up, neither YDI or PTB, just a poor mod decision |
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Keeponstalin
lemmy.world
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-18 |
I know, I partially made this post as a collation of the most obvious stuff because the more research I did the more worrying this got for me.
It's his own incoherent bias, he shouldn't be mod of any news community imo |
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Keeponstalin
lemmy.world
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-18 |
Dropsite news is not a highly regarded news source and Ryan Grimm is not a good journalist. Ftfy.
Zionists getting upset and downvoting Drop Site News' track record has been impeccable |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
It's wild how much *better world politics comm was while he was away |
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Joined: 2023-08-14 |
How do you view removed posts?
When you're the one who created them you can still see them. Honestly people with a Link should be able to view them. Lemmy shouldn't return errors as casually as it does, Lemmy should only return an error when something isn't working, like a page that actually doesn't exist. Not for removals or user deletion. |
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PTB, it's jordanlund, that wasn't unexpected. |
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monkeyjoe
lemmy.world
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-18 |
Zionists getting upset and downvoting Drop Site News' track record has been impeccable
The only people who don't like Drop Site are the ones who don't like their beliefs questioned. |
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__反いじめ戦隊
ani.social
AntiBullyRanger@ani.socialJoined: 2025-02-02 |
I wish it was that innocent but I see a clear pattern of censorship of criticism of Zionism and Israel and a pattern of burying news about the Palestinian Genocide. To ignore that in your framing is at best naive. This isn't a joke, this isn't abstract, the Palestinian Genocide is roaring along as we speak, choices have consequences.
Don't confuse innocence for journalism & news. |
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Blaze
lazysoci.al
Blaze@lazysoci.alJoined: 2025-03-30 |
Not having a go at the validity of your source and I would 100% allow the post on !world@quokk.au, but damn MBFC is such a joke. Overall, we rate Defence Blog as Least Biased due to its focus on […] pro-NATO alignment “It’s least biased because it has a bias” imagine taking the time to write something so contradictory and asserting yourself as an authority on media bias.
Seconding !world@quokk.au |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Per your edit. Lemmy.world instance admins know and don't care. Well they care enough to strip JL of a pointless title but not enough to actually do anything about him or his actions as a mod or user. |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
It's his own incoherent bias, he shouldn't be mod of any news community imo
And world admins seem to be fine with it. Probably because he's willing to do so much free work |
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XLE
piefed.social
XLE@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-23 |
When you're the one who created them you can still see them. Honestly people with a Link should be able to view them. Lemmy shouldn't return errors as casually as it does, Lemmy should only return an error when something isn't working, like a page that actually doesn't exist. Not for removals or user deletion.
I agree, at least when it comes to seeing comments that were there (presuming they weren't removed). |
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technocrit
lemmy.dbzer0.com
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-02-19 |
PTB. Those main comms on world ban far more content types than they allow. |
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technocrit
lemmy.dbzer0.com
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-02-19 |
I wish it was that innocent but I see a clear pattern of censorship of criticism of Zionism and Israel and a pattern of burying news about the Palestinian Genocide. To ignore that in your framing is at best naive. This isn't a joke, this isn't abstract, the Palestinian Genocide is roaring along as we speak, choices have consequences.
Yeah but they function together. The prohibition of alternative media essentially limits posts to hegemonic media which overwhelmingly supports genocide, etc. (And vice verse probably.) |
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Wren
lemmy.today
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
In this case I believe the mod is enforcing an, albiet stupid, rule. I agree, it's a high quality publication that shouldn't be removed, but I get seeing the title and making a snap decision. I posted the article to !Independent_Media@lemmy.today to help get it out there. I sent MBFC an e-mail asking why they consider a pro-NATO alignment to be unbiased as well. |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
In this case I believe the mod is enforcing an, albiet stupid, rule. I agree, it's a high quality publication that shouldn't be removed, but I get seeing the title and making a snap decision. I posted the article to !Independent_Media@lemmy.today to help get it out there. I sent MBFC an e-mail asking why they consider a pro-NATO alignment to be unbiased as well.
Yeah I wouldn't be upset about that if when I did some research I didn't find that Jordan Lund has a well documented extremely concerning pattern of silencing Palestinian voices and criticism of Israel. Ok a mod made a snap decision and it was wrong, that isn't really a problem in isolation but what is a problem is this isn't in isolation and it is in regards to a vitally important political topic for the US and the entire world. When you search for Jordan Lund you will find post after post talking about being censored for concerning or frivolous reasons as others have abundantly pointed out on this thread. Fuck antisemitism, but those are bombs from my damn country being dropped on Palestinians, I have a right to talk about it, to make a stink about it, and to raise awareness about it. Similarly Lemmy.World has a RESPONSIBILITY to not just wave their hands and say "I don't like talking about this can't we all just be friends!". Below use of "you" is meant generally, I realize I may have accidentally made it look like this was all meant in response to Wren, I did not intend that. If you do not know how to handle this situation and feel like you are out of your depth of understanding on the Palestinian Genocide to the point where you realllllly can't see how toxic Jordan Lund's world views are and don't know what to do because you like sharing memes with Jordan on Discord/Matrix but also there are all these angry shrill people yelling about Palestine that don't seem to like him, you should not be in a position of power over the largest political community on the Fediverse. Grow up and take an adult responsibility over understanding the world you inhabit and impact, this is one of the most serious human rights violations in our lifetime and it is unfolding as we speak even still. This is a not a time where innocently banning posts around this topic because you were going too fast can really be considered an innocent mistake, this is far too meaningful and impactful of a discussion and I am sorry but I just don't see any lighthearted instance mod thing happening here where all Jordan Lund did was see the word "Blog". Jordan Lund clearly used it as an excuse to ban an article he did not like, consciously or subconsciously I don't really care, the evidence doesn't point in the way of this being a non-political accident regardless. When people in the future look back and ask what Jordan was doing during the Palestinian Genocide, he will only be able to say he spent all of his time cynically calling into the question the motivations of people who were scared, emotionally impacted and alarmed by the mass murder of innocent children. He will only be able to say that he didn't believe it, he thought people were whining about it too much. He will not be able to say there was no way he could have known the violence was as real and as horrifying as everyone was saying it was, particularly because he has repeatedly participated in silencing discussion about it as a mod. Do you think it is a good idea to be Jordan Lund's friend? Do you think it is good for your soul? Can you harmlessly interface with someone who uses their position in such a toxic way? edited |
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Wren
lemmy.today
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
Yeah I wouldn't be upset about that if when I did some research I didn't find that Jordan Lund has a well documented extremely concerning pattern of silencing Palestinian voices and criticism of Israel. Ok a mod made a snap decision and it was wrong, that isn't really a problem in isolation but what is a problem is this isn't in isolation and it is in regards to a vitally important political to...
I won't defend Jordan Lund or argue otherwise. If you can get in contact with an admin and make some headway on holding him and them accountable, I support you. I've argued with him before about his moderation style. I don't agree with how or why he makes the decisions he does. He strikes me as someone who tells himself he's unbiased while holding considerable bias. For now, I'm just doing what I can. edit: what. How in the hell does this make me Jordan Lund's friend? |
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kingofras
lemmy.world
kingofras@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-13 Banned |
Jordan permabanned me from c/politics. Maybe I deserved a ban, but that’s besides the point. The dude gets cancer. I send him well wishes and ask him if he would consider changing my permaban to a temp ban. Crickets. For a dude who just got literal cancer after fairly cancerous mod behaviour for years, I don’t think his penny is dropping. It’s really sad people like that wield that much power over a platform that’s struggling to get airborne. On the plus side, he semi-owns .world communities, so at least he’s helping to bleed the oversized communities. PTB |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
Jordan permabanned me from c/politics. Maybe I deserved a ban, but that’s besides the point. The dude gets cancer. I send him well wishes and ask him if he would consider changing my permaban to a temp ban. Crickets. For a dude who just got literal cancer after fairly cancerous mod behaviour for years, I don’t think his penny is dropping. It’s really sad people like that wield that much power o...
I did not know about the cancer and that genuinely sucks, it gives me some context at least I guess. |
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Blaze
lazysoci.al
Blaze@lazysoci.alJoined: 2025-03-30 |
Per your edit. Lemmy.world instance admins know and don't care. Well they care enough to strip JL of a pointless title but not enough to actually do anything about him or his actions as a mod or user.
The LW staff putting the responsibility on the other mods to remove him was quite something. |
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Blaze
lazysoci.al
Blaze@lazysoci.alJoined: 2025-03-30 |
In this case I believe the mod is enforcing an, albiet stupid, rule. I agree, it's a high quality publication that shouldn't be removed, but I get seeing the title and making a snap decision. I posted the article to !Independent_Media@lemmy.today to help get it out there. I sent MBFC an e-mail asking why they consider a pro-NATO alignment to be unbiased as well.
Any reason to not use !world@quokk.au ? |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
The LW staff putting the responsibility on the other mods to remove him was quite something.
Just wish that was surprising |
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Whats_your_reasoning
lemmy.world
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-09-22 |
PTB It makes total sense for an online newspaper to potentially call itself "blog." It's parallel to print newspapers being called "journals." Any cursory glance at the source would show it's not a literal blog, just as any cursory glance at The Wall Street Journal would show it's not a literal journal. The very least the mod could've done was actually check the link before deciding to remove it. |
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TheObviousSolution
lemmy.ca
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-06-25 |
Any reason to not use !world@quokk.au ?
Wat?
Because their main mod clearly have a lot more political bias, they are hiding their username with a completely different one (not sure why, their original username sounds a lot more appropriate), they are managing way too many communities. Any reason you are pushing them? Always helps to do a rudimentary check of whose community / instance you are switching over to, it just involves checking out their profile, modlog, and post & comment history. |
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TheObviousSolution
lemmy.ca
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-06-25 |
This is what’s wrong with the a lot of threaded discussion platforms, communities are tied to the moderation and having a disagreement with them means having to leave a community for another one instead of just being able to leave what's actually at issue, the moderation. Imagine if trying to email someone required you to use a different email provider to do so, each time limiting whom you could include in the chain. |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
PTB It makes total sense for an online newspaper to potentially call itself "blog." It's parallel to print newspapers being called "journals." Any cursory glance at the source would show it's not a literal blog, just as any cursory glance at The Wall Street Journal would show it's not a literal journal. The very least the mod could've done was actually check the link before deciding to remove it.
This is a mod that removes dropsitenews.com for having substack in the footer. I don't like how they picked/use substack platform but it's definitely not a blog |
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Wren
lemmy.today
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
Any reason to not use !world@quokk.au ?
Because it's my community and I have qualms with piefed. |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Not having a go at the validity of your source and I would 100% allow the post on !world@quokk.au, but damn MBFC is such a joke. Overall, we rate Defence Blog as Least Biased due to its focus on […] pro-NATO alignment “It’s least biased because it has a bias” imagine taking the time to write something so contradictory and asserting yourself as an authority on media bias.
MBFC bot people got real aggressive when you suggested it was inaccurate or unhelpful. It's purpose though is relevant though: it exists to provide that exact dynamic: unbiased bias. The bread and butter of most political trolls. |
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Universal Monk
lemmy.dbzer0.com
UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-01-20 |
In this case I believe the mod is enforcing an, albiet stupid, rule. I agree, it's a high quality publication that shouldn't be removed, but I get seeing the title and making a snap decision. I posted the article to !Independent_Media@lemmy.today to help get it out there. I sent MBFC an e-mail asking why they consider a pro-NATO alignment to be unbiased as well.
Thank you for this! |
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BurgerBaron
piefed.social
BurgerBaron@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-25 |
And world admins seem to be fine with it. Probably because he's willing to do so much free work
Or Jordan is an .world admin alt account. |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Or Jordan is an .world admin alt account.
Would think that if he wasn't so proud of being a reddit mod AND used their own name for the account... |
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