You are framing this as sequence of events where the US formerly gave Israel weapons under false pretenses from Israel about what they would be used for when there is no evidence it was under false pretenses, there is no evidence it stopped and there is no evidence it will stop.

You are trying to describe a river as a truck that drove by once, not a continuous flow where each subsequent thing is an evolution and a response to the last. You say well the US drove the truck of weapons to Israel and THEN they committed Genocide with them... I say it is a continous river where if what was happening downstream was truly dammed (and not just damned), the consequences would already be overwhelming for what was attempting to dam an undeniable upstream force even if there is a physical distance of separation described.... it is a river, that is what rivers are, conveyances in communication.

This is a river of arms, death and the machinery of oppression.

Wrong analogy.

Someone tells you "Hey, someone has been breaking into my house, stealing things and breaking up the place."

"Gee, that's awful, you know how to fix that? Shotguns. Here you go!"

Then they go down and shoot up a school.

You didn't tell them to shoot up a school. You helped them with a legitimate need.

The problem is they come back to you and go "Damn it! They broke in again!" and you provide them guns again hoping, beyond all hope, that instead this time, maybe THIS time, they'll actually use them to defend their home.

Nope, this time they shoot up a hospital.

But their illegal use of the weapons is not what you authorized or intended.

All the benefits, none of the obligations.

Then the community should be "US Politics."

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

The problem is that US politicians are absolutely blind when it comes to Israeli war crimes. I personally know people in Southern Lebanon impacted not just by what Israel is doing there NOW, but what they have been doing there, Jesus, going back to the 90s through multiple illegal occupations.

All the politicians see is "Hezbollah attacks Israel? ZOMG! More money for defense!"

Ignoring the fact that, the reality on the ground is, they will kidnap a doctor in the middle of the night, tell him if he resists, he will be shot and killed, haul him off to treat a prisoner with no compensation, and then dump him on the side of the road like so much trash when they no longer have a use for him.

That's a true story from the brother of one of my close friends. The difference is, I have the decency and common sense to blame Israel for it, not the US.

It's Israeli policy to bulldoze homes, not US policy:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/08/lebanon-israeli-militarys-deliberate-destruction-of-civilian-property-and-land-must-be-investigated-as-war-crimes/

No it's on the USA being lying liars. And calling it out should very well be US Politics, and allowed. Unless you know, this is a psyop server.

IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide
A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

1. Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.

1. Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.

1. This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.

1. Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.

1. Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.

1. Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.

1. Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.

1. Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).

1. The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.

1. The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.

1. Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.

1. The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.

1. On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

Don't play cute with me, I am accusing you of a grave crime upon your own soul you fool.

IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide
A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

1. Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.

1. Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.

1. This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.

1. Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.

1. Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.

1. Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.

1. Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.

1. Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).

1. The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.

1. The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.

1. Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.

1. The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.

1. On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/

Once it's set up, it can't be changed and I didn't set it up.

I agree though, should be US Politics and World Politics, US News and World News.

That way the folks who don't care about the US Death Spiral don't have it inflicted on them.

I TRY to keep that stuff out of !world@lemmy.world but then we go do stupid stuff like Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Greenland, Canada. (sigh)

The title can be changed, not the path.

When US politicians get caught lying that's absolutely fair game for !politics@lemmy.world and it's a delight every time!

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics/george-santos-admits-embellishing-resume

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/11/portland-national-guard-trump-lies-doj.html

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/05/did-trump-just-get-caught-in-another-massive-lie-appears-so.html

I feel like it would be less well managed if it was actually that to be honest. Like... in other respects the Lemmy.World moderation team seems to be fairly competent and all, I don't have any particular beef about their competency personally, so in my opinion it is unlikely it is actually a CIA psyop.

Do you think the CIA could even manage to keep a decent server uptime going? I am not so sure, maybe.

Go research Ed Bernays. Or NED. Operations Condor and Gladios. The Pentagon Papers. Julian Assange, Edward Snowden. Room 641A. Yellow Journalism. ETA: 4chan

2. Corporate responsibility under international law

1. Corporate responsibility for violations of human rights, international humanitarian
   law and crimes under international law is governed by legal instruments at the domestic,
   regional and international levels.

1. The UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights (UNGPs) constitute the
   normative framework at the international level for the regulation of corporate conduct with
   respect to human rights.2 They set out what states and corporate entities need to do in order
   to comply with existing obligations under international human rights law, and are already
   having a significant impact on national law and policy. Indeed, the UNGPs provide the
   normative lens through which corporate conduct can be assessed in order to establish legally
   relevant facts in litigation where corporate liability is addressed. They are concerned both
   with preventing adverse human rights impacts and ensuring remedial actions are taken where
   a corporation’s conduct causes, contributes, or is directly linked to such impacts.3 Crucially,
   heightened normative requirements apply in contexts of conflict, occupation and structural
   vulnerability, especially where domestic enforcement of international human rights law may
   be weak or compromised, rendering international oversight necessary.4

1. Other areas of international law establish specific legal obligations for corporations,
   especially international humanitarian law – which is binding on non-State actors involved in
   armed conflict5 – and international criminal law, under which individuals such as corporate
   executives, and increasingly corporate entities themselves, can be held criminally liable.6
   Domestic courts are the primary jurisdiction for the enforcement of corporate responsibility
   for human rights violations and international crimes

1. International law accords States the primary role of ensuring that corporate entities do
   not violate international law and respect human rights, as part of their obligation to respect,
   protect and fulfil human rights. Under international human rights law, confirmed by the
   UNGPs, States may be found in breach of their human rights obligations where they fail to
   take appropriate steps to prevent, investigate, punish and redress abuses by private actors
   when human rights violations occur.7 States have an obligation to extend this regulation and
   oversight to the operations of corporations that occur outside their territory, in accordance
   with general extraterritorial human rights obligations.8

1. Furthermore, under the rules on State responsibility, violations of human rights by
   private actors will be attributed to a State where a corporate entity acts on instructions from
   or under the control or direction of the State, is empowered by State legislation to exercise
   elements of governmental authority or where the State acknowledges and adopts the conduct
   as its own.9 Accordingly, the UNGPs require States to take additional steps to protect against
   human rights abuse by corporate entities owned, controlled by or receiving substantial
   support from the State.10

https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-economy-occupation-economy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur

The companies listed here have provided Israel with weapons and other military equipment used in its attacks on Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria since October 2023.

https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/who-profits-us-corporations-and-the-whitewashing-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

Again, not a function of US POLITICS.

See !world@lemmy.world

I don't know if anyone told you this but the israelis are the ones who broke into the Palestinians house with the help of the allied powers.

Lets try to keep this simple since I see you can't keep up.

!politics@lemmy.world is specifically for US Politics.

You posted this story:

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

It was removed and you were directed to appropriately post it in !world@lemmy.world where it belongs.

I want you to go over that article very carefully and point to me where it states the US is in any way involved in the invasion of Lebanon.

You can't, because it doesn't.

For example, like this one:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2026/03/12/trump-gave-israel-green-light-for-ground-operation-in-lebanon/

That is something that COULD be posted to !politics@lemmy.world as it specifically indicts a US politician and is directly related to US politics.

I don't think they'd give up their US paid universal health care. 😉

it is NOT US political policy.

When the US has been funding this and is currently partnering with them for additional war crimes against another nation, I kinda think there's enough overlap to consider it "US political policy."

.world is the reddit of the threadiverse

The solution is the same now as it was a year ago: stop participating in .world communities and start contributing your energy to the equivalent communities elsewhere. The entire point of federated threaded discussion boards is to be able to route around damage (or dipshits).

Jordan Lund is a zionist propogandist who casually abuses people on the site with his mod authority for his own political bias. Unless he's literally hosting lemmy.world himself, someone has some explaining to do around why that absolute shitbag of a human being is a mod on so many threads. He needs to be removed and banned.

its the biggest instance and content is king.

Mainaiining occupation is not self defense. Nazi germany did not have the right to defend themselves against the people they genocided

It's only the biggest instance because people go there, and people only go there because it's the biggest instance. Go somewhere else. Make THAT the biggest instance.

Honestly it might be, why else would they take half the things they get away with while saying other instances are guilty of doing it?

When Jordan was sick, his communities were nicer and easier to discuss things in. Wish he stayed sick so the mini admin couldn't silence topics he doesn't want to hear about.

PTB, as always with Jordan.

There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

But that is exactly what US policy is, in effect. By refusing to hold Israel accountable, by continuing to supply arms and political cover, and by joining hands with Israel to attack Iran, the US government (both parties) has repeatedly endorsed, aided and abetted the genocidal government of Israel. The stain of that genocide can't be washed away so easily, simply by you naively claiming US politicians thought Israel would use such support purely for self defence. Nobody is buying the obvious bullshit you are selling. US politicians want Israel to be a US stronghold in the region, no matter what. The whole world thinks the US is culpable, because we have eyes and ears.

Wow.

They even have similarly lax administration policies.

Too much work, gotta remove topics he doesn't like instead.

I don't wish him to be sick, just not have mod abilities

FYI according to world admins it's apparently up to the mods of each comm to deal with all his rule breaking and shitty mod behaviors

https://lemmy.world/post/36621226

Basically the admins want to make it seem like they care but they absolutely don't give a shit how terrible he is

Israel / Gaza

That would make some sense if USA and majority of congress people weren't either supporting Israel in their genocide or just in supplying weapons and funds

Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That's an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.

Weird, considering a majority of the are fully okay in supporting it. Hell even Kamala fully embraced it to not hurt Biden

Don't forget to add whatever piefed social instance they have

Link of them fully approving here: https://lemmy.world/post/36621226

Yeah, and while the admins say they're upset with Jordan didn't do shit other than remove a meaningless title from them

https://lemmy.world/post/36621226

Oh that completely depends on the topic though

It's the same with Reddit too.

Ok that is a lot of words that mean nothing when Jordan Lund has been given a position of power again.

removed because you know you are wrong

World admins are masters of saying lots to say absolutely nothing.

It's either that or doing good things for the absolutely worst reason. Unironicly also given to jordanlund to do for banning amp links, not because of how terrible they are but because caused issues with their awful mbfc bot

To say that Israel and Gaza arent predominant political issues in US politics is just straight up denial

Just like Reddit basically.

LW in a nutshell, soon to be piefed in a nutshell

I think they have a piefed instance too, piefed.world. No doubt they have every shitty anti-feature in piefed enabled there.

You mean the social credit score that makes it so if liberals disagree with you that you're shadow banned?

Or the obfuscation of what's allowed because it scans all images uploaded?

Or any of the horrid things Rimu does because he's never blamed for the poor chickens and horribly written code?

If someone has a PieFed.world or .social I just know they hate brown people and communists more than they hate fascists.