Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.

Right, the Gaza Genocide isn't US Politics... Those aren't US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.

What a joke.

I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

The second article about US media's complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide... do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics?!?!?!?!!!!!???

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don't even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

...

Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)

But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.

It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.

• Mehdi Hasan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza

PTB

Thank you for publicly making a fool out of yourself, it makes my task easier to point out your willful ignorance on US politics and how it dangerously bifurcates discussion about the US and Israel.

American coorporates complicity with it is us politics

Your task is to abide by community rules, which in this case means posting US Politics to Politics and World News to World.

Since you seem simple, let me explain how this works in small words just for you:

This post you made to Politics is FINE and was NOT removed:

https://lemmy.world/post/44253357

Why? "US Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill"

Democratic lawmakers (in the US) introduced a bill (in the US).

That, my friend, is US politics and belongs in Politics.

The OTHER things you posted about Israel, Gaza, etc. are NOT US politics.

You are welcome to post them in World as you were repeatedly told.

Insanity of saying the US fueled, funded, and permitted (with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA even going so far as to say he will help Israel "do what they need to do") genocide in Gaza isn't US politics aside, why the fuck would you name your com "politics" and not allow politics from the hundreds of other countries?

Name your damn com US politics then, and maybe learn about the impacts of US foreign policy and recognize that the imperial hegemonic effects of the USs actions actually are US politics.

JFC that's a stupid com.

It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn't hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.

The US is funding the genocide as part of their foreign policy that makes it US politics.

You aren't being silenced, you were re-directed to the appropriate community which is !world@lemmy.world , not !politics.

You just banned me from !politics, which would be the definition of silencing?

I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

When the ban expires, you're welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):

https://lemmy.world/post/44253357

If you insist on posting "Israel bad!" to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.

This is why separate communities exist.

If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by "Israel bad!"? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?

Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?

I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?

I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

The lemmy.world admins have been very clear in their actions that they approve of jordanlund.

Shame on them then, if they take no action on Jordan Lund they are an embarrassment to the entire Fediverse and they diminish our community here by occupying the spot as the largest political community while harboring such heinous and unpopular, cruel and inaccurate beliefs about the world.

Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.

Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.

Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.

Israel being a bad actor is welcome in !world@lemmy.world

Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn't belong in !politics@lemmy.world

I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be "Trump does stupid shit" top to bottom.

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

Israel's war crimes are on Israel.

So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children's school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so... you don't think that is relevant to US politics?

The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural... in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.

As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day... it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel's behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and not being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire can't get away with doing themselves.

• /politics has several explicitly defined rules. Which one states only US politics are accepted?
• Why would a com called /politics not allow discussions about politics?
• If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren't you using a com like /us_politics?
• If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don't the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?
• US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?

I still think .world is a CIA psyop.

If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.

US Politicians taking official action regarding Israel is fine for !politics@lemmy.world

Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria goes in !world@lemmy.world

US Politicians volunteering to be Israeli lapdogs like Schumer or Fetterman do repeatedly? Also !politics@lemmy.world

Because, again, US politicians doing political things in the US.

Israel illegally invading Lebanon, AGAIN? !world@lemmy.world That's Israeli political policy, not US political policy.

Hi Jordan. Nice to see your imminent death experience prompted you to reflect on some of your opinions and actions.

Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

Bullshit.

Zionist gonna Zionism.

If you give money to someone after they tell you they are going to use that money to buy a gun and kill people you are morally responsible for those deaths.

Not only is the division you are attempting to construct here utterly artificial, it is an artifice that obscures one of the most brutal human rights atrocities in my lifetime.

Shame on you, shame on you for toying with this conversation like it is simply an abstracted conversation about definitions. You know it isn't, don't treat me like I am stupid enough to believe you think it is.

There is a Genocide going on right now, as we speak, and you are participating gleefully in silencing conversation about it. Own it coward.

This is such a weird distinction. Everything Israel does is with the help of US policy. Like I don't understand why it's not allowed by the communities rules.

Man, you are so stupid

There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.

If you want to see the !politics@lemmy.world appropriate war crimes, look to the bombing of the girls school in Iran. US Policy, US personnel. That's 100% allowed in Politics.

If you are incapable of telling the difference between bad actions committed by Israel vs the US, there's no point in a temp ban, I can just permaban you now.

There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.

Again you expose the desperate need to remove you as a moderator especially over the Politics community because of your shocking ignorance (conscious or subconscious) about this political topic. It is genuinely alarming to me how confidently you are wrong.

“We strongly condemn the American mercenaries accused of—and in one case, reportedly caught on camera—opening fire on starving Palestinians seeking food aid in Gaza. Like their counterparts in the Israeli military, these mercenaries are complicit in genocide, and the Justice Department should prosecute them as such.

“We call on the Trump administration to immediately end our nation’s involvement in so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, and we call on the administration to ban American contractors from participating in this fraudulent, genocidal project.”

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-condemns-american-mercernaries-caught-on-camera-celebrating-attacks-on-starving-palestinians-in-gaza/

At the end of May, the GHF opened two stations in the rubble of Rafah, in the extreme south, and one more in Israel’s militarized Netzarim Corridor across the center of the Strip — equivalent to promising to feed Houston with three grocery stores. This scheme forces the population to move southward.

American armed guards place limited quantities of forty-pound boxes of food on the ground inside wire fences. Crowds are herded in and out, so they have to compete for their families’ survival. This has the effect of particularly starving elderly, sick, wounded, and disabled people, single mothers, and orphans.

https://www.leftvoice.org/u-s-mercenaries-are-helping-the-idf-murder-starving-people-in-gaza/

An American private security company is seeking to hire dozens of U.S. special forces veterans to staff and run a key checkpoint in Gaza, aiming to arm the group to monitor and search Palestinians there, new reporting finds.

Reportedly as part of the ceasefire deal in Gaza, three private companies have been chosen to screen Palestinians traveling from southern to northern Gaza: North Carolina-based UG Solutions, Wyoming-based Safe Reach Solutions, and an Egyptian company.

https://truthout.org/articles/private-us-company-is-reportedly-hiring-us-veterans-to-run-gaza-checkpoint/

Terminal flag blindness here

Sometimes it seems like I'm still on Reddit.

I don't think someone could actually be that stupid, they're probably evil

Exactly, it isn't even some weird conspiracy either, empires have had vassal states since as long as empires have existed, why are we pretending now that vassal states don't exist as a concept because the subject is the US and Israel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty

Suzerainty differs from sovereignty in that the dominant power does not exercise centralized governance over the vassals, allowing tributary states to be technically self-ruling but enjoy only limited independence. Although the situation has existed in a number of historical empires, it is considered difficult to reconcile with 20th- or 21st-century concepts of international law, in which sovereignty is a binary concept, which either exists or does not. In contrast, suzerainty is non-binary and lies on a continuum. While a sovereign state can agree by treaty to become a protectorate of a stronger power, modern international law does not recognise any way of making this relationship compulsory on the weaker power. Suzerainty is a practical, de facto situation, rather than a legal, de jure one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_state

It is remarkable arguing against someone where all it takes is literally two wikipedia articles about basic political concepts to demolish their moderation policy for the largest Political community on a network.

Show me the vote where the US told Israel to kill as many people as possible. It's cool. I can wait.

There is a radical contingent on Lemmy that wants to blame the US for every evil thing in the world, that is not reality.

They will grow up some day, today is not that day.

As long as APAIC is funneling money into US politicians, everything Israel does is tangential to US politics.

In the 2022 midterm elections, AIPAC spent roughly $27 million, a figure that more than tripled to over $100 million for the 2024 cycle.

The US provided about $4 billion in aid to Israel.

We are right now engaged in a war - sorry, armed conflict - with Israel leading the charge.

So, yeah, have fun in your echo chamber where US politics is entirely divorced from the rest of the world.

Under the genocide and geneva conventions the united states should not give a single dime to Israel until the occupation end. It is complicity but you are too stupid to realize this. Nothing radical about opposing the complicity of the united states in the settler colonial project.

What Israel is doing are specific actions taken by Israel. They are not being directed by US policy or US Politicians. The US provides funding for Israeli defense which Israel immediately misappropriates for the genocide.

Again, Israeli war crimes, not US war crimes.

There is no US policy stating "Gaza? Pfffft... kill 'em all."

Your entire argument boils down to a child going "i'm not touching you".

Absolutely agreed, but that doesn't make Israeli war crimes a topic for a community exclusively for US politics.

Post up a story about the US House and Senate voting to fund or de-fund Israel? AIPAC swinging US elections again? Sure.

Israel committing war crimes is World news not US politics.

Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.

None of these stories are remotely similar to stories about US mercenaries taking action in Gaza. That's why they were removed from Politics.

every time i read anything about jordan lund it just bums me out. he’s like a king of nothing.

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

that's a distinction without a difference,

What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.

Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.

What? Did you read the words you just typed?

I mean thank you for spelling out your positions so I can reference them directly, but wow, this is a truly absurd thing to believe as an adult human being and say outloud without going "huh? wait maybe I should think more before I speak".

I'm sorry, but it's absolutely not. Look at the posts Squirrel had removed:

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, or News, not Politics.

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

Similarly, what US corporations do or do not do is not Politics. World please.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

Correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel. Not US Politics.

They were told repeatedly where the posts were appropriate and chose to argue instead of simply re-posting in the correct community.

Yeah. We know.

US Politicians are not directing the media or corporations to take these actions. It is NOT politics.

If you have to get out your red yarn to explain why it is, you lose the argument.

Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense. The problem is they also can't recognize that Israel moved to offense ages ago.

The funding was provided in good faith, it's being used in bad faith. That's the difference.

LOL Israel isn't the 51st state... yet!

People hate it when you explain what does or does not go in specific communities. 😂

It's literally the first line on the sidebar:

• If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren't you using a com like /us_politics?

Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can't say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.

• If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don't the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?

Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn't belong in Politics. This isn't six degrees of separation.

World exists for non-us World news.

• US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?

Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That's an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.

You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:

https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

Now, you and I both know Israel isn't ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that's on Israel.

As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.