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Google Says Developer Verification Makes Android Safer. Critics Say It Just Makes Android More Closed
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sabreW4K3 lazysoci.al sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al
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DaddleDew lemmy.world DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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I trust anything from F-droid more than 95% of the junk that is available in the Google Store

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sin_free_for_00_days sopuli.xyz sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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It's just all about captive consumers. Makes zero sense to just not have it a setting. "Do this and you are on your own" OK, and off we should go.

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Kairos lemmy.today LodeMike@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-26
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I trust anything from F-droid more than 95% of the junk that is available in the Google Store

Yeah I'd absolutely give a random APK from F-Droid contacts acess than any social media app from google play

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
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I trust anything from F-droid more than 95% of the junk that is available in the Google Store

I'd trust more an F-droid app to get my position than 99% od Google Play Store apps

The 1% is just open source software that also release on play store

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fonix232 fedia.io fonix232@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-13
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Okay, I get what Google is trying to do - Android is a mature OS, and thanks to its embedded nature, is considered a secure runtime, so banks etc. have released apps that have lowered security compared to a browser - such as, long lived logins (aside from the usual biometric/code unlock, how often do you really have to go through the full login sequence?), lowered security for secure actions (often you can confirm transactions and other potentially dangerous things with just your biometrics, because it's a trusted device, on desktop etc. you'd need access to an OTP provider for every action), and so on. And that's just banking...

problem is, Android is far from perfect and exploits that allow the exploiting process root access or even worse, well, those happen.

(what's even worse? well... Android most recently runs essentially in a virtual machine, managed by a SoC-level hypervisor, which in turn is managed by the platform TEE. Basically, userspace is EL0, root on the OS is EL1, Hypervisor access is EL2, TEE is EL3. The higher the number the more access the exploit has. For example, an EL0-EL1 exploit can be detected by usual root detection - but an EL0 to EL2 exploit can't be because the exploit happens to be outside what the OS can see, which is where the trusted boot chain attestation comes in)

So anyway, Google has been trying to curtail such exploits by various attestation approaches for Play Integrity. And now they're trying to catch this from the other end by blocking app installs from unknown sources.

The main issue with this? A lot of the apps that contain malware or exploits, come from the Play Store. Basically Google is trying to play cop while allowing a select group of thieves to continue operating without any attempt to shut them down...

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
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Okay, I get what Google is trying to do - Android is a mature OS, and thanks to its embedded nature, is considered a secure runtime, so banks etc. have released apps that have lowered security compared to a browser - such as, long lived logins (aside from the usual biometric/code unlock, how often do you really have to go through the full login sequence?), lowered security for secure actions (o...

It's just about control not security

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Willoughby piefed.world Willoughby@piefed.world
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#8 · (edited) Quote Reply

Closed to my wallet lmao. If Android becomes nothing more than a walled garden then there's no reasonable difference between ios and android.

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JayGray91🐉🍕 piefed.social JayGray91@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-04-08
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It's just about control not security

It definitely is. And if we take the bank apps as mentioned, they got lazyvand rely on the google mafia to manage their security for themselves. And now those bank apps are trying to police how the fuck I use my own device. Thank goodness there's still geto and sjizuku I can still hide Dev options and accessibility being turned on.

For the bank apps, I just straight up reviewed them saying they are hostile to disabled persons because they disallow accessing their apps with accessibility features turned on. It's not much but it helps getting my anger out

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SpicyLizards reddthat.com SpicyLizards@reddthat.com
Joined: 2023-09-27
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"Google says x, everyone else on earth (and in orbit) say that's bullshit".

I think I've heard this before

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Ilandar lemmy.today Ilandar@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-12
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I trust anything from F-droid more than 95% of the junk that is available in the Google Store

Nah F-Droid sucks. Not enough North Korean spyware, for a start!

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wrinkle2409 lemmy.cafe wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe
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Anon lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz Anon@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
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I'd trust more an F-droid app to get my position than 99% od Google Play Store apps The 1% is just open source software that also release on play store

Until you realize the Play Store versions of some open-source apps have trackers...

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
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Closed to my wallet lmao. If Android becomes nothing more than a walled garden then there's no reasonable difference between ios and android.

Actually there is. iPhones have better, more powerful and more efficient processors and way better battery life and get more attention to their apps. Even Google apps work better and get more features than their Android counterparts.

The open nature is the biggest thing Android has going for it. And they're destroying it. I'm sure they know most people won't care though.

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
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Until you realize the Play Store versions of some open-source apps have trackers...

Some, not all

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jnod4 lemmy.ca jnod4@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-10
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Yeah I'd absolutely give a random APK from F-Droid contacts acess than any social media app from google play

A random open source app with a hundred lines of code that I can personally inspect vs closed source apps that sells every info about you the second you press install

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P1nkman lemmy.world P1nkman@lemmy.world
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I'm not jealous... At all! But I feel like I need to wait to see how well it works before I splurge on a new phone.

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