100% this.

I used macos for over a decade, and kept getting Kore and more frustrated with the ui and ux decisions apple kept making. Now I use Linux on my computers and am so.much happier. Linux has its problems, but at least I can fix most of those problems. I'm not forced to use anything.

On my phone I use graphene os, and while I hate dome of the ui/ux of the base aosp, at least it's not sucking up all my data.

I dislike apple, but I dislike Google A WHOLE lot more.

Linux users sampling self-hosting options

Linux: I run the bank

I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I've been invested in for ages. Plus if I leave my wife will crucify me. also bought this expensive ass phone and that's it for now.

yeah, i use IOS

I literally don't do any finance on my phone at all. This image is qualified

Banks website works.

I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.

WE FUCKING WARNED YOU

The difference with Linux is that instead of investing money into your ecosystem, you invest your time. What is worth more to you?

We FuCkInG wArNeD yOu

Bud I've been doin my best I don't need this.

They really care about UX, Ui

Do people really like just having rows and rows of random icons on their home screen?

OS9 and prior were cool, though. You could play all the old Bungie games.

Whoops yeah indeed.

I hate IOS as well.

yep, hardware became better. Software became worse

Well yeah that's Apple's whole shtick, making anything only compatible with their own ecosystem with as much lock-in as possible. It's a genuinely drug dealer-like approach, they've even got "the first one's free" with cheap Ipads and Neo.

They moved their desktops to ARM, now they have a single architecture to maintain. It just makes sense to dumb it down so they can ship one OS for everything they make. After all, people will blindly buy it anyway.

IOS is great. So is iOS.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Linux users like: ‘you merely adopted the hate’ 😭

On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked

It’s all just MacOS anyway so they just stopped shipping the x86 build it’s not really a great loss.

i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.

That's precisely why I've been avoiding Apple for decades.

The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It's in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesque convictions manage without, with lots of effort. So far that app works on e/os/ and GrapheneOS, but not regular desktop Linux.

IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.

Huh? You don't have to have icons on your home screen.

Oh, that's a terrifying single point of failure.

Yeah, Cisco IOS can be pretty confusing.

Stop shaming people for changing their mind or coming around to what you've been saying with this bullshit. BE more WELCOMING!

No you don't!

Only one of them is UNIX.

Not just UNIX-like, but actual UNIX.

IIRC there were some UNIX-certified Linux distros out there too, not sure if they're still around.

Yup. Have no issues with my iPhone. Tried Android once and it ain’t for me.

Fuck off you clown. You ain’t warn nobody.

I have been hating on macs since the ipod took off, for the same reasons people are mad at enshittification and lack of control over your own hardware.

No one listened, and here we are.

really care about ... build quality

Glad for you that has changed lately. Apple's is the only (and most expensive) hardware I've ever had severe problems with ... twice. (In between, that clone they killed worked great for 7 years.) Not buying it.

MacOS is a fine SSH terminal to my Linux boxes. Really it's just that Macbooks are somehow so much better than every other laptop. I always have a cheap Linux laptop as well for reasons and activities, but for actual work all of the annoying things about MacOS are well worth the hardware ergonomics.

MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.

the joke is for you then. apple makes closed systems. at leats windows is an open system. jusr not open source

What’s the joke? Having a fully functioning phone. Ugh the horror.

Hate having an iPhone but we need it to keep in contact with family, it can never connect with KDE/Linux very well.

It looks like shit and is demonstrably slower than Sequoia because of all the liquid ass.

Linux didn't exist until 1991. Though there may have been some people in the 80s who were used to Unixes running on workstations that thought that MS DOS and the Windows software was stupid. But who knows.

My bank uses 2fA where if used in a browser it wants me to scan a QR code on the screen with another app on my phone... I need a very complicated set of mirrors for that to work...

Yggdrasil was introduced in ‘92, Debian and Slackware ‘93 so it worked well enough in the early 90’s to be usable.

I didn’t really install Linux until ‘04ish so I have zero real world experience with early Linux, but it’s interesting to follow the Slackware forum on LQ to hear what the truly old school folks have to say.

iOS user here - I hate Microsoft, and have disliked Windows since before XP. Linux is more conducive to my preferences. Surprisingly, so is iOS for how I need/want to use a smartphone.

Yeah, you're good. Some people are just bad at expressing themselves.

We all understand the systems that they use to tie you into their walled garden.

Escaping takes time and money now (and it isn't like PC hardware is cheap currently...). You can still get a cheap tower from whatever marketplace/craiglist service is popular where you live and setup a Linux server and do things that are compatible with your existing devices like pi-hole, Jellyfin, etc.

I know a lot of programmers and sysadmins that use Apple laptops to interface with their Linux backend.

This is the first I've heard you say anything on the topic, hmm curious

/e/OS doesn't care take security seriously. They are usually 1-2 months behind on Android security patches, leaving users vulnerable to literally (literally) dozens of critical and many more high severity vulnerabilities. Every other Android ROM is better about this. LineageOS and GrapheneOS are the best about updating quickly.