Ive been thinking of going caffeine and alcohol free for a while. Alcohol wouldnt be an issue but I really love coffee.

I don't think I could make it through the day without oxygen.

Oh you

I was going to ask if you meant right now, or in general, but if coffee is included, I'm out either way.

Caffeine, no. Everything else, yes.

Alcohol, cannabis, and methamphetamine free since '95. Nicotine free since '03. Caffeine free since '15.

Now if I could kick sugar.

I don't take anything (other than supplements, meds), still I could be eating healthier.

Dihydrogen Monoxide addict too aren't you?

Why go caffeine free?

I sadly figure the oil companies will make us all go caffeine free in the medium to long term, so may as well enjoy it now before it becomes a luxury of the wealthy.

For one, to see if I can (been drinking coffee since I was maybe 7 or so)

For two, because maybe I'd feel better or sleep better !

what do you consider "substance free"?

I drink alcohol and caffeine both less frequently than once a week, but I do consume both occasionally (usually for fun, or socially).

Nope, have caffeine in the veins right now and had alcohol last night. Have weed gummies once a month or so. I do occasionally go for a month or more without any of them just to confirm I am doing it by choice.

Moderation is the key, and going without for a period of time is definitely a good thing to do.

Not daily I guess. So like 1 coffee and 1 beer a week or 2

then yes, I'm "substance free"

EDIT:

my rule is that I'll use any sufficiently safe drug (no street drugs with solvents still in them, gross), but I won't use any drug more than one day in a row, and some drugs I guarantee a longer period without - e.g. I'll let myself smoke cigarettes or use nicotine, but then I take note of the date or month and then won't use it again for a whole month. Usually I get cravings in the first few days after, sometimes even a week or two after, but they go away and eventually I lose interest. Part of the reason for this is also to reduce the health impact of nicotine use (not just addiction, but cancer risk).

I also prefer to not let myself use any of the same class of drug two days in a row, e.g. not taking downers two days in a row. Part of this is to ensure I stay healthy and protect my sleep, etc. - but part of it is also just so I don't build up any tolerance and so the drugs stay at their most effective and useful to me.

withdrawals can be rough, but I think it's worth trying

sugar isn't really an addictive drug and shouldn't be compared to nicotine, alcohol, meth, etc.

Even if food can function as a reward and lead to compulsive behaviors, you can't live without food, and eating food (even sugary foods) doesn't lead to addiction the way we think nicotine does.

So, yeah - incorporate healthier diet and all that, but know that as long as you're not eating too much sugar it's actually fine in moderation.

I drink caffeine but I’ll stop sometimes if I feel like I spending too much, I mostly just like coffee and tea.

Maybe I'll try only 1 cup of kaf a day to start then do every other..

You should try it - some people report various health benefits. Others report no effect. (and half from both groups are looking at what they care about and ignoring other evidence) Your doctors may have guidance on how it affects you.

I'm only asking for a 2 week trial. Then evaluate if it is worth going longer or not.

Good luck on the angel dust addiction.

I've been using decaf at home for a couple of years now. Then again I wasn't really dependent on caffeine so it wasn't hard for me to switch.

SPONCH are my friends!

I don't like coffee, so I picked slow news day when the report was how coffee was bad for you and never again read news about coffee.

I‘m not drinking alcohol. Once or twice a month I do LSD, 2C-B, magic mushrooms, GHB, ketamine. Psychedelics and ketamine help reset, defragment, and refocus my mind. GHB is for relaxed and passionate sex.

I stopped cannabis two weeks ago and still feel a yearning to use it. It makes me lethargic, worse sleep, mental fog. CBD helps quench the desire to use.

Elvanse (lisdexamphetamine) daily as prescribed. Stopped all other amphetamines two years ago.

Started drinking coffee every other morning recently. It is nice, but I don’t want it to become a habit long term. Stopping caffeine has worked for me in the past without much effort.

No nicotine.

yes, a gradual taper is a good idea - much better than cold turkey.

Eventually switching to black tea, then green tea, then white tea would also help.

Might also be good to keep a log as a way to ensure you know exactly how many mg of caffeine you're consuming, and to keep yourself honest.

Decaf coffee is a thing, yknow. You get to enjoy drinking it without the jitters.

For me I am not and probably cannot ever be substance free. I don't really care to. My life is better with caffeine and THC (it really helps the audhd thing function in modern society). I should probably pare back the amount of caffeine I get daily, but I won't eliminate it.

Thanks. I kicked sugary drinks with the caffeine in '15. But still have a hard time with it in general. I will go months with none, then I get an urge for something and before I know it I am Augustus Gloop.

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caffeine is really hard and to go further sugar would be even harder. I doubt I will ever be there.

Man I always find that even a single cup of coffee really fucks me up on el/vyvanse, I had to switch to decaf

Don't forget about your other acquaintances CaNaCl, it wouldn't be the same without them ;-)

I am. I grew up around drug and alcohol addiction. Tried it. Hated it. Decided none of this was for me. Drugs is easy. Everybody in my house usually scampers away like roaches to do drugs. Alcohol is very much a family thing. Can't watch a game without someone screaming shots or drink. I usually end up hiding in my room.

Coffee makes me nauseous and I'm not trying to feel like I need to shit before I got something to do. Plus the crash is way worse than the energy its supposedly supposed to give me.

I've never done drugs or drank alcohol. I used to get a little too obsessed with hyper fixations when I was younger, so I figured that wouldn't end well. I'd probably be fine now but like...why at this point?

I've been on a soda and coffee kick recently but I routinely cut it out completely and I'm usually the better for it. I'll be heading back to the gym soon after not having time so it'll probably be then. My body feels weird if I'm exercising but eating/drinking garbage Might have headaches for a few days depending on how bad your caffeine or sugar addiction was.

I've quit twice to see the effects. Crushing headaches start in 24 hours and can't be relieved with anything but caffeine. Yet mere sips of coffee/tea taken daily can stave off withdrawal. With < 2 cups of coffee total, you can wean yourself off completely symptom free.

Day 1 150ml

Day 2 125 ml

Day 3 100 ml and so on.

I mean, what's your point? OP says they struggle with it and want to curb what they see as a problem, that's the bottom line. Sex and porn aren't addictive drugs, you wouldn't walk into a meeting and "um ackschully" it.

I’ve been having caffeine for about a decade, around 400mg a day. It has changed my brain, so tapering slowly seems like the only sustainable solution.

If I go cold turkey I’m just too miserable and cognitively incapable. I think my sweet spot is around 5% reductions every 4-7 days.

Just wanted to let you know that maybe your target reductions could be even smaller.

If 5% every couple of days is too slow, I’ve heard people doing up to 15% every couple of days. Of course, the only way for you to know what works for you is testing it.

I'm living without alcohol and caffeine (except in tea and chocolate) and really never have the feeling of missing anything. Can recommend.

Wait coffee is bad? I thought it made lots of people live longer and stuff

Edit: Checked it out and Wikipedia, the purest source of knowledge, broadly redeems coffee’s health effects

I have yet to evolve beyond my corporeal form, so not me.

I have, in fact, been told I am a man of very little substance.

Don’t sex and porn release hormones that can act as drugs?

I would believe so, same with food, particularly sugar.

Pretty sure there is some caffinated tea leaf that is native to the USA.

Edit: Ilex vomitoria

Determine which habits are good, bad, neutral. Then anything good or neutral, determine good frequency. Then cycle frequency to optimize utility vs. adaptation/addiction/increased requirements. Anything bad, eliminate.

Smoked some synthetic THC a few years ago when I hated myself. I still hate myself somewhat but at least I'm mentally present. No more brainfog.

CaNaCl sounds like a card game you play with grandma.

And an assortment of minerals.

I didnt drink often and much, maybe once per two weeks, and max 3 beers or something. But since I stopped completely, and I drink 0 per year I can feel much better. My diet didnt change, I spend less time outdoors, but I feel better…

I haven't been able to find some of this in years :(
Mushrooms are not my favorite, always end up nauseated

I am a man of substance

Caffeine is enjoyable to me but it affects my mental state a lot, in some ways negatively. In particular I feel less able to think about things holistically, way more tunnel vision type thinking. It's worrying that so many people use it every day and I make an effort not to.