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People who live in a theocracy; is social climbing through the religion possible or is it just fascism with the religion esthetic?
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Daftydux lemmy.dbzer0.com Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Pudutr0n lemmy.world Pudutr0n@lemmy.world
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Social climbing is also possible in fascism.

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Daftydux lemmy.dbzer0.com Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Social climbing is also possible in fascism.

I just call that subjugation

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disregardable lemmy.zip disregardable@lemmy.zip
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behind the bastards did a 4 part series on mohammad bin salman. he is the son of his father's THIRD wife, and apparently by birth his father was the 25th son of the king. as in, his father absolutely never should've gotten the throne, and then he should've never gotten the throne. however, apparently saudi arabia has a royal culture of people just being paid massive amounts in oil money irrespective of how productive they are, so bin salman's dad got more power over his siblings by actually doing his job. then son of the 3rd wife over here did the same thing.

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Daftydux lemmy.dbzer0.com Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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behind the bastards did a 4 part series on mohammad bin salman. he is the son of his father's THIRD wife, and apparently by birth his father was the 25th son of the king. as in, his father absolutely never should've gotten the throne, and then he should've never gotten the throne. however, apparently saudi arabia has a royal culture of people just being paid massive amounts in oil money irrespe...

So capitalism? Ill tell you one thing. Trump didnt come to power by being good at buisness.

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Ada piefed.blahaj.zone ada@piefed.blahaj.zone
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So capitalism? Ill tell you one thing. Trump didnt come to power by being good at buisness.

Trump didnt come to power by being good at buisness.

He came to power by being good for business, or more specifically, good for billionaire backed businesses...

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theprogressivist lemmy.world Theprogressivist@lemmy.world
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Social climbing is also possible in fascism.

That's just bootlicking at that point.

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zxqwas lemmy.world zxqwas@lemmy.world
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I think authoritarian is the word you're looking for.

A fascist is authoritarian and nationalistic.
A theocracy you're thinking of would be authoritarian and religious.

Anyway what is your ruling on the varican city? Does that qualify as a theocracy?

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Rhynoplaz lemmy.world Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
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That's just bootlicking at that point.

Just like social climbing in any other situation.

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Daftydux lemmy.dbzer0.com Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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I think authoritarian is the word you're looking for. A fascist is authoritarian and nationalistic. A theocracy you're thinking of would be authoritarian and religious. Anyway what is your ruling on the varican city? Does that qualify as a theocracy?

Im dont know. Is it?

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porcoesphino mander.xyz porcoesphino@mander.xyz
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Trump didnt come to power by being good at buisness. He came to power by being good for business, or more specifically, good for billionaire backed businesses...

come to power

I think you're talking about recent history and there was a lot before he got to that point where he probably wasn't as useful to billionaires

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FinjaminPoach lemmy.world FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world
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🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 pawb.social Kolanaki@pawb.social
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Yes, but not through religion.

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FinjaminPoach lemmy.world FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world
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Yes, but not through religion.
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guy piefed.social guy@piefed.social
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I think authoritarian is the word you're looking for. A fascist is authoritarian and nationalistic. A theocracy you're thinking of would be authoritarian and religious. Anyway what is your ruling on the varican city? Does that qualify as a theocracy?

Ok so this was actually an interesting question and wikipedia calls it an theocratic elective absolute monarchy.
Sadly Freedom house don't have a analys for it.

And if it is an absolute monarchy, that's authoritarian.

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🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 pawb.social Kolanaki@pawb.social
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Theocracy is similar to fascism, in that it's often authoritarian but the difference is literally whether they are inspired through religious fervor, or through national pride and patriotic superiority.

Just imagine if Scientology was running an entire country.

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guy piefed.social guy@piefed.social
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Im dont know. Is it?

It is. The pope is gods representative on Earth and you can't be pope without being a catholic. That's a theocracy if I've ever seen one.

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guy piefed.social guy@piefed.social
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Just like social climbing in any other situation.

Simplification, but yes..

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zxqwas lemmy.world zxqwas@lemmy.world
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Im dont know. Is it?

It's your question so you get to decide. The pope is elected from the high ranking catholic priests. So very much a theocracy in that sense. And it seems largely based on merit.

However it's a micro nation that could function basically the same if they rented the place instead of being sovregin.

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Amro piefed.social Amro@piefed.social
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Theocracy is similar to fascism, in that it's often authoritarian but the difference is literally whether they are inspired through religious fervor, or through national pride and patriotic superiority. Just imagine if Scientology was running an entire country.

Really no one mentions the Holy Roman Empire? Or the ancient Egyptians?
In a theocracy social climbing is possible. In any hierarchy politics matter.

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