If I know smart people, the one thing they love is constantly having to fight for resources and their job, at lower pay than they deserve, with a risk of getting censured and death threats if what they publish upsets the uneducated masses or moneyed interests.

There are enough smart people who do love exactly that because it proves their superiority.

The current state of America reminds me of post ussr Russia. They maintained their power position by attracting the best and brightest. But then the party was over. And. Well, look at the state of the scientific advancement in Russia. This is America's future. The average American is barely able to read the instructions to tie their crocs. And turning education into the WWE. Doesn't bode well.

Well, like the Pedo-in-Chief said: smart people don't like me.

So there's your reason for smart people fleeing the swamp.

Well, like the Pedo-in-Chief said: smart people don’t like me.

If people with education, experience and good judgement don't like you... it's a clear sign that having those things distort your thinking! /s

This is exactly what happened to russia after the cold war. Its going to be desstating to the economy. The next 20 years belong to china and europe.

I usually complain people should not leave but honestly that is for us pleabs. If your a massive net gain to the country then im all for it. Im an old enough fart that unfortunately most of the gain I have given is previous to now so ill just be a nice thorn.

There's such a thing as a state indoctrination free school somewhere?

I’m not in academia anymore but I’m in tech, would love to move to Europe but immigration seems pretty tough

Education and indoctrination are the same thing from different perspectives

..."we should only be one race"-"we are one race"-"fine, we should only be one color"
fuck you..

I don’t think the intersection of “scientist” and “masochistic asshole” is actually big enough to carry us.

Yeah but will those people also get those things? (squints hard in American) /s

Europe has a lot to prove before we can believe that. Maybe step out of Putin’s shadow as a start.

This sounds clever on the very surface, but it’s unhinged.

Depends on how sensitive you are, but I don't think most public schools indoctronate. Unless of course "reality has a well-known liberal bias" is true.

Ok. Thanks for your contribution

No you see in statesia it's all indoctrination because in one state they salute a flag and chant every day

That's actually a good example. You went to school there, so here's a little helper (because of your reading comprehension):

We're talking about civilized, non-shit hole countries however.

The US is grotesque in partisan influence, commercial priming, and lighting critical thinking in schools.

Hi! I'm an engineer and have done it. It's of course not easy but it's totally doable. I guess my really high level advice would be:

Figure out what country(ies) you'd consider moving to (think about language stuff and your willingness to learn a new one if needed, prevalence of English, cost, climate, culture, etc)

Look for the visa requirements (very often in tech just "have a job" is enough for you and your family visa wise).

Look for jobs. Lots of places at least here in Denmark are very aware of the fact that they can get good talent leaving the US right now. My boss literally talks about it weekly. Employers will be glad to help with visas and with help moving. My employer that I moved with found us a place to live (furnished) for 3 months and paid for it, got plane tickets, got someone to help with taxes, of course did visa things, and had someone help with all the "other stuff" like drivers license transfer, understanding healthcare, etc etc

If you actually want to consider it, it's really doable. It's been such a rewarding and amazing experience for us.

considering they arnt before the pandemic either, since its heavily gatekept right out of college through various means. most of what ive seen when job searching in stems, is they cater to international scientist level talent, or h1b visa holders instead. entry level isnt exactly easy to get too. its really meant for people who are well off for grad school, unless you are very lucky as an undergrad. no wonder i see so much disastified reviews of my state uni, and other unis after graduation, its a systemic problem since '08.

trump just happened to be the latest symptom and accelerating the decline of stem in the us, that is not HEALTH, or programming.

if you have a PHD in niche specialities that is, or an md.

they need to do something thier cheerleader in the EU, orban.

trying to get academia position is quite brutal too.

might be easier for something in demand , engineering PHD, mds, but so far people under bs/ms, since they are unlikely to have a career or experience in the field.

I know a fair few people here with just good experience in their fields who have gainful employment. I don't know what the OP's "in tech" job means exactly but fine chance they could find work imo. I thought it was a LOT more gate kept than it is. My partner is a scientist and found a job, only with an irrelevant BS and good experience. I know others with the same kind of situation.

Not to say that it's easy, but it's not as impossible as I once thought

Nobody loves that. But there are people who love doing science, so they do it despite that.

dayumm, so they say this same shit everywhere
(referring to brain drain)

It's true. Living like actual people feels degenerate to us. We need the abuse.

and strangely my education was still better than yours

I’m a data engineer but I probably dont have enough experience to warrant being looked at by companies abroad at the moment. I’m still in junior territory on paper at least.

...to the one downvoter, could you please explain your answer?..

...semantics...

instructions to tie their crocs

Hold on a second...