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Linux or Graphene?

Totally degoogled graphene phones can't come soon enough.

I haven’t used Google anything since 2010. What’s your struggle lmfao

Is it just me or do Linux phones not support 5g

I feel like you don't understand what we're taking about here

good linux phones can't come soon enough

what have you used then? the only other option thats really viable as a complete daily driver solution is iphones and iOS and that has all the same issues just without pretending to be open source

Both actually

I heard they cause aids too

Lmao you're never going to get a genuine reply from this

So what's the user experience like on an alternative OS?

Oh?

Graphene has been great for me.

i have come to love just not owning a smartphone anymore.

World is way more of an adventure when you out and about without internet connection on you.

Wana know how to get somewhere? Find a map or ask someone.

Pay something? There is cash for that.

Wana take a picture? Just take a camera with you, because lets be real 99% of the pics in your smartphones camera roll wont get viewed ever again anyhow.

Wana meet with other people? Well make out a time and spot before u leave the house...

Wana be reachable to others while u out and about? Dont! Its a wonderfull feeling not to be.

Wana pass some time while waiting for someone/something? Bring a book.

Sure it may be inconvinient for others that you are not instantly reachable 24/7. But its a wonderfull feeling not to be. To comunicate on your own terms.

banking.

public transport.

government anything.

...

Yeah but what's it like?

Ok this sucks, but there is something that seems to be not implied. Wait one day, then confirm with biometrics, then decide if you want this only this time, or 1 week, or forever. You have to only deal with this one time if you choose forever (as long as you don't reinstall, I assume).

This is by no means ideal, but I think I'm ok with this. In a way I believe the rhetoric they are framing, to protect the vulnerable populace (e.g. the elderly) from frauds. For your phone, you can get the hurdle over one time, if you are installing for your parent you can do "don't ask me for a week, or ask me again everytime", so they don't install something malicious as part of a guided "tech support". Not saying that will prevent all and any spams but it will add some barrier. Just my opinion though, I could be off base with this.

I do wish that 1 day waiting was a bit shorter.

There are two options for mobile phone operating systems and now both of them restrict their users freedoms to install software as they see fit.

So you either don't care about software freedom or don't understand the problem.

Its like using Android.

You're off base with this. Almost unbelievably so.

They know they aren't concerned with scams, why are you pretending? The move is to restrict competition and improve surveillance capacity as much as possible with as much legal protection as possible for Google. "Vulnerable people" don't typically know how to use F-Droid, and scammers would take a week to find out am effective alternative even if this was somehow their main tactic; which it is not and they did fine before it was an option.

I own my phone. I get to pick what is installed on it. The fucking mandatory Google apps were already too far, this is straight up telegraphing intent to commodify as much of my life as they can get access to. Even beyond how fucking bad this is for the overall health of tech development and sovereignty, I dont want a company that is complicit with a fascist state to force me or anyone else who would challenge that state to register our fucking identities with them. For all I fucking know, they'd get me thrown into a camp as readily as they'd cut off my access to pirated media. You think it's a coincidence they're doing this shit at the same time liberals and fascists are desperately trying to seize some kind of control over the internet? It's for grandma's safety? The fuck it is.

Oh, neat!

Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers?

Yes.

Cool, thanks

The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something.

That's life before 2000, or even up to 2005 or like.
Was not bad, really.
Internet was slow and stuck in computers, astalavista, radium, emule and burning dvds
The evolution of cellphones into smartphones was somehow a bad move for humanity

You have to configure gps?

I say Linux.

They are already here

It's just you. I can't really disprove a negative, but e.g. SailfishOS supports 5G.

Daily-driving SFOS for 6 years. AMA.

Is this actually 100% true?

I know Google/Android/Alphabet sucks but this seems over the top even for them.

Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)?

You can't prove a negative. You can disprove a negative simply by showing an example. Which you just did.

I know I'm in the minority, but I find acceptable. I haven't sideloaded anything in a while, but this just means waiting a week when I get a new phone. Usually it takes me longer than that to fully migrate, so it's like a non issue.

It seems reasaonable though except the one day wait, but in the end it's still fine.

No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is.
Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail.

Google banking? Google transport? Google government?

The new Jolla phone does support it

De-googled Android ROMs:

• GrapheneOS
• LineageOS
• /e/ OS
• Volla OS

Linux OSes that (allegedly) work on Android hardware (please suggest additions):

• UBPorts
• PostMarketOS

Non-android, non-apple smartphones:

• Pinephone
• Pinephone pro
• Librem 5
• Volla Phone 22
• Jolla Phone
• FuriPhone FLX1s

And pretty much every feature phone out there (way too many to list)

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/android-developer-verification.html

Stolen from elsewhere:

You are not getting screwed on this. Google is just applying lube.

Is this your first day on Earth?

Those apps are all only avaible through the Google Play Store and downloading the banking app from somewhere else is likely causing serious trouble.

Thanks. The xheet and this article are almost identical.

protective waiting period

triggers me. It only protects their business interests, because that's the biggest of the multiple hurdles that are all designed to disincentivize people from doing that.

Also read: security theater

I am not 100% clear on this. Is sideloading different from installing an APK from unknown source by simply taping on it?

Sounds wondeful, though it's not possible in some parts of the world. Here in Sweden you need a phone to use a lot of services, and very few places still accept cash as payment.

It's google's platform, there's nothing to give them. They have shown for the last 2 decades they take decisions based on money and whiny powerusers and tech reviewers are not their main concern. Downvote all you want, obviously it's not what people want to hear, but it's the reality.

Thanks for the explanation!

I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums.

Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore

No that is side loading, and they're making it more difficult