It's nice these people are getting banned from things and fired and quitting but like these are crimes and they should also go to jail

yeah exactly

I mean... They should probably just ban defcom ay this point.

Ito should have already been banned imo.

Defcon is my biggest regret about the whole "US going to shit" situation. I'm from Europe, and I was planning to eventually attend, but there's no way I'm going there until USA gets their shit together, which I suspect won't be during my lifetime at this point.

They should move it to Europe, especially for this kind of event, I'd suspect that for a lot of attendees and speakers, who tend to be pretty anti-systemic, going into US safely at this point is not an option.

Defcon is where USA scouts and recruits, isn't it?

Europe has way better alternatives. Fuck fedcon

Any recommendations? My only experience with defcon is through recordings of the talks from there, and they've always been phenomenal, and some videos from the events like various CTFs. Never really looked into it more. I think I also saw a documentary a few years ago that was pretty sick.

I would say look into the chaos Computer Congress in Germany.

It takes place every year between Christmas and new years.

There is also plenty of other chaos events throughout the year which are smaller abut still very much worth the visit.

https://www.ccc.de/en/

explicitly anti-surveillance, explicitly political, and the research quality is comparable. If you're European and skeptical of that government entanglement, CCC is the better fit.

Political how?