All the more reason russia needs to fuck off eh?

So Ukraine can send more soldiers to defend Israel?

Libs love projecting responsibility for the crimes of their fascist allies

If this is Russia's fault for attacking, then that means that Russia attacking is Ukraine's fault for doing all that ethnic cleansing in the Donbas and refusing to just let them go, like they voted for. Not very wholesome 100 democracy of them.

Having a temporary truce (after all attempts to rally against them were rejected) to build up the strength necessary to destroy the fascists in the inevitable war against them is different to being best friends with the fascist and helping them destroy entire regions of the world.

Wow reality is Eastern propaganda? That doesn't bode well for you or your worldview.

"Stalinism" isn't an ideology. The term was coined by Trotskyists as a polemical weapon. Using it as if it were a self-identified doctrine misrepresents the historical record to serve a political narrative of discontinuity.

"Maoism" as a distinct -ism separate from Marxism-Leninism was created later by the Communist Party of Peru (Shining Path). Chairman Mao consistently framed his contributions as Marxism-Leninism applied to Chinese conditions.

Your "both sides" stance isn't principled skepticism. Condemning the oppressed and the oppressor with equal moral weight objectively strengthens the hegemon. Imperialism doesn't require your active support to benefit from your neutrality; it only requires that you deny the oppressed the right to defend themselves.

Think concretely: if you condemn both the SS and the Warsaw Ghetto fighters as "violent extremists," you aren't above the fray. You are functionally aligning with the side that holds state power, industrial capacity, and the monopoly on legitimized violence. The same dialectic applies when socialist states, forged in anti-fascist war and under permanent siege, take measures to survive. Abstract moralizing that ignores the material conditions of blockade, invasion threat, and subversion serves the side that imposes those conditions.

Liberalism's "condemn everyone" posture is simply abdication. It mistakes the symmetry of moral judgment for the asymmetry of class power. History isn't judged by who shouted "violence is bad" the loudest, but by which side advanced the material interests of the oppressed.

Also all this is irrelevant to the main point anyway (smuglord shitlibs like yourself would call what you did a whataboutism I believe (can I declare victory now?)), that a nonaggression pact formed after every attempt to rally against the fascists was rejected in order to buy time to destroy them is materially different to siding with them with glee to destroy an entire region of the world with no plans of ever fighting the fascists.

I do not recall anyone excusing any country sending soldiers to defend the Nazis during the height of the Holocaust.

"The biggest take away here is that if you think im a liberal you are sorely mistaken."

Your self-identification doesn't determine your analysis. What matters is the material position your argument occupies. You can say you're not a liberal all day. Your logic still functions as one.

"I am no way doing that."

You are. You equate the periphery and it's backers in the fight against imperialism to the imperial core which runs the most advanced wide reaching immiseration and extraction apparatus in human history.

"Its a good thing that I dont condem the Warsaw ghetto fighters are violent extremists then eh?"

That was clearly an analogy you idiot. You are effectively taking a stance in the same vein when you say ridiculous things like "east and west are both shit" with zero analysis or thought. Covering for the hegemon.

"No shit that's why I was all for Palestine defending itself, same thing with Ukraine defending itself from russian imperialis"

These are not the same category. Palestine is a colonized people under military occupation, denied statehood, fighting for basic sovereignty. Ukraine is a state receiving billions in Western arms, integrated into NATO command structures, and now exporting weapons to Israel. You can't claim solidarity with Palestinians while endorsing a node in the same military network enabling Gaza's destruction. That's massive contradiction.

"Ukraine is siding with the side that isn't actively trying to destroy it."

Ukraine isn't just "defending." It's becoming structurally dependent. Yanukovych wasn't removed by pure popular will. He was ousted after refusing to sign an EU agreement that would have locked Ukraine into Western structures and after seeking balanced relations with Russia. The post-2014 government legalized Banderite symbolism, marginalized Russian-language media, and launched an eight-year military campaign against Donbas that killed over 5,600 civilians, including hundreds of children. That isn't "defending sovereignty." That's ethnicized state violence.

"Fascist boot lickers like yourself dont understand what a 'whataboutism' is."

Calling me names because I distinguish a 1939 tactical delay from 2024 imperial integration isn't an argument. It's what you do when you can't engage the substance.

You also misuse "imperialism." Imperialism isn't just "big country does bad thing." It's the export of capital, the division of the world into oppressor and oppressed nations and the extraction of super profits through enforced unequal exchange. Russia in the 1990s was gutted by shock therapy imposed by the IMF and US advisors: GDP collapsed by ~40%, life expectancy plummeted, industrial capacity was liquidated. It was deindustrialization by design. Russia's subsequent alignment with anti-colonial movements was material necessity, the only path to regain strategic autonomy against a unipolar order that had already declared it a target.

And fascism? Fascism isn't "authoritarianism." It's monopoly capital in open terroristic dictatorship, the physical annihilation of working-class organizations. Neither China nor Russia meet that definition (who I assume you mean when you say the East). China lifted hundreds of millions from poverty through planned development. And yes, Russia is an oligarchic kleptocracy, a product of the capitalist restoration that followed shock therapy. But oligarchy isn't fascism. Russia's state, however flawed, maintains formal elections, permits legal communist opposition, and structurally opposes NATO expansion. That's reactionary bourgeois politics, not fascism. Calling them "fascist" isn't analysis. It's simply polemical dilution that protects actual fascism, like the Azov-linked elements integrated into Ukraine's security apparatus.

NATO's own Secretary General (Rutte) has stated its purpose is serving US geopolitical interests. When you arm a state integrated into that structure, you aren't supporting "self-defense." You're reinforcing a containment architecture aimed at the backers of the global souths liberation (Russia and China).

Your "both sides are shit" posture isn't radical. It's abdication. When you equate a state fighting to survive encirclement with a state actively enabling genocide, you aren't "above" ideology. You're reproducing the hegemon's narrative: all resistance is equally illegitimate, all power is equally corrupt. That sustains the empire.

Well lots of libs are big fans of the Finn's siding with the Nazis against the USSR. But leftists tend not to take that position as it's really indefensible.

Cope shitlib.

Project much shitlib. You really should learn what words mean.

Red fascism is when you oppose ethnic cleansing and aren't rooting for these guys

Signing a last minute non-aggression pact to buy time after having your proposed antifascist alliance shot down for ten years by countries that all signed pacts with the fascists next door to you years earlier is actually not the same thing as providing military aid to an ethnostate currently committing genocide thousands of miles away and explicitly saying you want to be like them.

Liberal ideology can only survive in ignorance of the facts.

Hell yeah fuck the world everything sucks, you're 12

Lol you have nothing

ten years

1939-1933 is 6.

They said the alliance had been shot down for ten years. Then that they signed pacts years earlier.

Lmao shitlib. You have no independent thoughts. Again I beg please learn what words mean.

So, was the Soviet Union proposing an anti-fascist alliance in 1929?

simp

Libfash talking like incels, who'd have thought. Fitting since you are basically political incels

Lol cmon you're not even trying. Have one original thought today

It would be less sad if you were actually 12

True it was 1933 you're right.

Your entire output and psychological makeup could be replicated by an LLM trained on reddit comments. You retreat to cringe cliches because you're scared to engage with anything actually being said. You feel a small spike of anxiety when you see a new reply in your inbox and see that it's longer than one sentence.

Is that the one where Stalin defended Hilter against the Allies during the Holocaust?

Nice historical revisionism fashie

You still clearly don't know what that word means lmao

Nope you're a fashie doing historical revisionism.

Please define fascist and how it applies to me shitlib.