I agree, GNOME 3+ is pure steaming shit.

I love open-source and I respect all free software projects. Except GNOME 3.

You can't come up with something so horribly designed unless you're trying to make it horrible on purpose.

XFCE erryday.

Same. I've used Gnome, KDE and XFCE (and OS X and Windows) and Gnome is my clear favourite. Claiming that their decisions don't make sense is clearly false if it works so well for so many.

Exactly, or when they forced their tools as "standard" forcing KDE to adapt.

I can only ever pronounce it is 'Guh-nome'

I blame Linux Unplugged podcast tbh.

You have a right to that opinion but Gnome 4(0) was released a year and a half ago, and we're on 49 now. Also, I think it's beautiful and elegant.

Dolphin is surprisingly powerful. I was using a tool (SshPilot) to handle my remote connections and it had an option to browse a remote computer's filesystem. I was curious what that would look like and it just used my local Dolphin windows and opened up my remote computer and easily browse the files there. I'm so used to using an external program like FileZilla for stuff like that.

Here you go

Which one’s the hard g? If that’s the one that sounds like j or “g as in giraffe”, then I’ve never heard anyone pronounce it like that. Jnome? Doesn’t really roll off the tongue very well.

So apps look the way they are made?

When I use KDE apps in GNOME they also look like KDE apps. Obviously - that's the way they are made. If I want something else than what someone else created I will use something else, not complain about how they didn't create it the way I personally prefer.

> he fell for the double cross

oh no no no no

I don’t know of a package manager with a GTK filter.

This I could agree with, but the problem here is a lacking feature in package managers, not the fact that apps that you don't personally enjoy using exist.

I don't particularly enjoy using KDE apps, but thankfully the K-centric naming convention make them really easy to avoid.

like gif

Gnome and KDE both suck but in opposite ways. Want to change a behavior in Gnome? Well you better hope there's an extension for that. Want to change a behavior in KDE? Sure. Good luck finding the fucking setting for it though. XFCE and Cinnamon are where it's at. We also give a pass to MATE.

NOTE: These are my personal opinions and not a personal attack on you if you enjoy Gnome/KDE. Freedom of choice! 😁

I suspect that @TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works really meant to say "with a non-silent 'G'".

The word is typically pronounced ("There are gnomes in the forest!") with a silent 'g'.

It sounds like it has experimental support as of six months ago.

https://itsfoss.gitlab.io/post/cinnamon-60-release-debuts-experimental-wayland-support/

Cinnamon 6.0: A Bold Leap Forward with Experimental Wayland Support

Last update – 2025-08-12

For the max/min buttons you can just turn them on in gnome tweaks

Ah yes, using a different non-standard tool makes so much of a difference.

I am unreasonably upset by this treating of Arrested Development as a deep cut 😠

KDE on the other hand... I am glad it exists but I wish it were better. I feel like it literally wants to be windows.

KDE's approach was ‘Windows, but with even more dialogs and crammed lists’ for at least twenty years. And it also felt clunky way back then. People on Lemmy keep saying that Plasma is good now, but I read the complaints and it's like nothing changed.

On Wayland, it's really a compositor rather than an X11-style window manager. Has to handle more tasks.

Though it looks like the River compositor is trying to reintroduce the window manager paradigm.

I’m pretty sure you can live without the minimize button.

I'm volunteering in a repair café where older people bring their Windows 10 computers and seek help migrating to Linux because their PC told them that Win11 isn't compatible.

I make recommendations based on each person, trying to realize what they wish for first if they have an idea what they want. A few months ago there was an >70y/o man. Let's be realistic here, at this age it might well be the last PC he ever owns. So I set him up with Alma Linux (extra long support cycle) and made its Gnome desktop as Windows-like as possible. He's not getting pressured into unfamiliar UX metaphors and no way I'm pushing software from EPEL or anything that onto him. I enabled Flathub and temporarily installed aforementioned tools to make the necessary tweaks, then uninstalled these tools again, and installed a few of Gnome's games, Celluloid, and Chrome off Flathub.

For the rest of the day he ate cookies and drank coffee and seemed pretty happy with that setup. We invited him to come back, should he have any further questions. Haven't seen him again.

I think as a [edit: former] GNU project, Gnome is an exception. That might be a bit of a hypercorrection though.

Criminal

Are you just talking about the way the app launcher uses the whole screen? That seems like the silliest thing to care about… it’s there for 2 seconds while you type the name of the app you want, and letting you focus on that task. It’s not like I’m browsing the web in the background while I wait for the start-menu-equivalent.

Jnome

Are you just talking about the way the app launcher uses the whole screen?

yep

That seems like the silliest thing to care about

well, I find it jarring. It's my preference/feeling/aesthetic and I'm entitled to it. There are enough ways to do that don't take up the whole screen that my opinion must be fairly common. Macs have spotlight, the start bar that has existed forever, Krunner...

Of course you’re entitled to your preference, no debating that.

I found the happily short-lived windows “metro” interface similarly jarring like you describe, but the gnome equivalent has never caused me any difficulty for some reason.

I found the happily short-lived windows “metro” interface similarly jarring like you describe, but the gnome equivalent has never caused me any difficulty for some reason.

That's interesting. what separates the two for you? Because I dislike them both for the same reason. Is it the subtle blur and transparency for gnome?

Serious question. Why is there an expectation that your DE should be customizable? Isn't the fact that you can choose one in the first place a customization?

This is the main reason I stopped using it

Laughing in Sway

It isn't "non standard." It is literally a part of gnome.

Haters gonna hate I guess

It isn't all sunshine and rainbows though. Gtk3 theming doesn't match libadwaita and gnome still lacks status bar support.

Gnome apps also tend to be overly minimalistic in some cases.

But it's there!

Don't use gnome if you don't like gnome. No one is forcing you to use it.

I like gnome and so do many other people.

I personally think gnome is way better than plasma. However, I understand why people don't like gnome.

Everyone has a right to be wrong.

I tried gnome once at the start of my Linux adventures and I couldn't figure out how to do most stuff as it seems really counter intuitive to me. I tried extensions to fix it and they just didn't work or broke and trying to install the extensions was a problem for me too. Idk it's just seems broken to me in a lot of ways

Then I tried another distro with basic life and it was easy and I didnt need to install anything extra because it was already all there.

Also why the fuck does gnome and Ubuntu have a app drawer take up the whole fucking screen. I'm on a computer not a tablet or phone. I just need a start menu like kde has. Its simple small and easily accessible when other apps are open

I think that’s it: simply blurring the background instead of just disappearing, it makes it feel like it’s not “gone”; just not the current focus, so to speak.

I also was on Ubuntu for a lot of the time while they were fooling around with “Unity” so I’m sure my experience is skewed compared to a clean pure gnome setup.

Yep, me too. But I really like KDE apps

On Wayland, it's really a compositor rather than an X11-style window manager.

On Wayland it's both the window manager and compositor (compositing window manager).

In X11, you have to bring your own compositor or not use one. River is trying to separate it like in x11 but it's a compositor only. You have to bring a separate wm. And from what I understand, in Wayland it won't work without a compositor (but I could be wrong on that one).

That's nice.

I will continue to voice my opposition to poorly designed products.

It isn’t “non standard.” It is literally s part of gnome.

It's a stand-alone tool by the Gnome developers, it's not an integral part of Gnome.

The default UX of Gnome still make it hard for people migrating from Win10. No amount of nitpicking about irrelevant details change that fact.

Haters gonna hate I guess

I didn't expect any other response by a Gnome fan. Keep ignoring comments like https://lemmy.world/comment/22252682 where I explained that I picked Gnome for an elderly man. I'm really such a hater that I pick Gnome for a certain use case.

I love GNOME but I found the default usage pattern aligned very well for laptops. And I don't mind they only implement finalized Wayland protocols. But Wayland moves so slow!

I use KDE on in my normal desktop because I want VRR and HDR for gaming. I like KDE but its default theme still looks rough around the edges and it has random bugs and kwin crashes when gaming and sometimes on resume.

Both have things I like and things I don't like and I wish I could take the best from both.

I like Cosmic DE a lot because of this. It feels light, efficient, and smooth like KDE. But it feels coherent, consistent, and laptop friendly like Gnome.

... But Cosmic still feels a bit too incomplete for me to daily.

The beautiful thing, though, is if you want to, you can do that.

Now try to make Gnome look almost exactly like KDE. And then the real difference between them becomes obvious.

Why is there an expectation that your DE should be customizable?

Why wouldn't there be? It's Linux. Everything should be customizable.

I'm a gnomer.

Don’t use gnome if you don’t like gnome. No one is forcing you to use it.

But I also don't want it to be the default DE on mainstream distros that could be frequently used by Linux newbies. I suspect a lot of the people out there who tried Linux and then hated it because it was weird and too hard to figure out ... came to that conclusion because the first distro they had defaulted to Gnome and they thought all Linux was like Gnome.

Gnome people keep saying KDE requires so much 'setup' ... but it really doesn't. 95% of the time (unless you've got a really weird distro), the default settings your flavor of KDE ships with are ... just fine. And you can use the desktop just fine without ever touching any of the settings. It has lots of options, sure, but you don't have to screw around with all the options. It has sane defaults for a reason.