https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/

https://slimbook.com/en/

https://starlabs.systems/

Fedora is an American distribution.

Which of them laptops have a track point and three mouse buttons so it can be actually used on the LAP?

Looks like they actually have their own distro https://slimbook.com/en/slimbook-os

That slimbook afaik also comes with non-Fedora options. Fedora is developed by the community, so I wouldn't worry too much, but, in case;

I asked about this before

tl:dr; if you care about it being beginner friendly, go for Linux Mint. if european & privacy is important, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

i'd also go for the GNOME one, that's more beginner friendly à la "less is more". KDE Plasma is more customisable.

Are these available in the US?

Very good list of recommendments, also my choices!

(To be fair, there are more good ones in that thread, but I'm not complaining).

edit: also, there's Novacustom which is Dutch and lets you customise a lot of shit.

It doesn't matter for open source.

I'd love that, but I'd also happily accept two mouse buttons and a normal touchpad over one giant buttonless panel.

Your link didn't work for me. I had to wait several seconds for a redirect that then said "there's nothing here."

Weird, for me it says it's a blahaj zone link and works

this one uses a feddit uk link - does it work?

Yes, thanks, that one works.

Wtf is starlaps?

How long have you had it? No issues?

Out of curiosity, why if fedora considered American?

Fedora is put our by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM, an American company.

That being said, I use Fedora. Its a great OS.

How are they in terms of reparability?

I really like the ethos of framework.... alas, they are from the US. But if you are going to buy any US tech, you can't do better than them.

Distribution support outside of the standard Ubuntu/tuxedo os was terrible for a long time. The fan support was essentially broken on my laptop except on the officially supported systems. Your can manually compile the (bloaty node.js) tuxedo control center, but instructions on GitHub are wrong and incomplete.

I recently saw that they now added support for Debian 13 though, so that might be worth another try.

There is also a community project tuxedo-rs but with limited device support. Doesn't support fan control on my device but is much nicer than the original otherwise.

American CPU, made in Taiwan, assembled in China, and somehow European tech?

Let me know when it’s a RISC-V laptop made at STMicroelectronics with memory made at GlobalFoundries in Dresden!

I didn't know about the acquisition. That said, not all things American are against EU interests. And this one is free and open source.

I use Fedora too. I'd switch to EU owned, but I need something stable. Hopefully EU government support for open source grows stronger

, we said about Android and Google.

I have one running Arch. Works well, AUR has the tuxedo control centre and Tuxedo provides a short guide for Arch.

Sadly GloFo has its headquarters in New York (state) and is owned by a UAE investor. So would you really call that European then?

Besides that it doesn't seem to produce or be capable of producing DDR5 and focuses on logic instead.

Nothing is perfect.

Actually had a terrible experience with star labs, not recommended

Yes, it's backed by Redhat/IBM but it's a community project. If things goes sideways it'll be forked and continued as if nothing happened. Using any Linux distribution, you're using tonnes of US software. They are still absolutely free and open, this is not comparable to Android that proprietary parts and locked in hardware.

Why are there no links here????

https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/

https://slimbook.com/en/

https://starlabs.systems/

Star Labs is a reputable manufacturer which even designs their own products.

The post clearly says European brands.
There is no European-made x86 CPU available.

I have a star labs Byte. It’s an intel n355 that sits under the tv to play emulated games it runs time crisis pretty well :) and it runs jelly fin/sonar etc to transcode stuff to Apple TV. The other nice thing is the bios is open source coreboot. I’m currently trying to silence the fan which at least is possible because of the open source bios

openSuSE is German. I’d say that’s pretty stable.

I don’t care so much about the origins of an OS honestly, but since fedora is owned by Red Hat and IBM I don’t want to touch it. Particularly given IBMs involvement with AI and other such bullshit.

How is the experience importing from the UK these days? I have avoided the UK at all costs since brexit. As I didn't feel like possibly having to deal with customs and delays, etc. Is it better now, including automatic taxes? Or best to still avoid it if there is a reasonable alternative?

I always like to throw in MNT. Haven't had any experience with it though.

sir, ebay is that -> way, we do not have old thinkpads. /s

honestly laptops are becoming the new phones, all look the same, and a reasonable priced ones can do whatever I want to do on a laptop.

so boring . . .

Just saying, they are not produced in Europe which is what this post is about. 99% of laptops are trash nowadays.

Yeah, I would switch from my Framework to a Slimbook if they offered upgradability.

They could make parts that work to the Framework spec, that is open source, which would he awesome.

Edited, thanks !

OpenSUSE is an option. Tumbleweed is stable and has btrfs snapshots by default. I found Leap ironically a bit less stable, the default installers wasn't as polished as TW's last time I used it, so the experience was a bit less intuitive.

Add I said, some models are supported, if you have a different one good luck

When you think about it, framework makes the perfect work laptop.

Why?

They are too overpriced to buy for personal use, but a company doesn't care and will write it off in five years, at which point you can buy it for basically nothing, order a new mainboard, polish it up a little and you have yourself a brand new high end laptop for under a thousand. The system does not account for actually repairable electronics :)

What happened?

Starbooks get assembled in the UK.

Tuxedo is manufactured in Germany.

Slimbooks get finished assembling in Spain.

they ain't even being produced anymore, so u are not supporting murica anyway.

now eBay on the other hand is prob not the best on the topic but each country got it's alternative, here in Portugal it's Olx.

Man, I really miss when we had home computers to rival the Americans, like the ZX81.

I might try this. I saw opensuse Aeon. I use silverblue. After using an atomic system, I'll never willingly go back. The stability is wonderful

I would not use an unsupported OS on a laptop, of course you had trouble with it. Laptops have always been notorious for having worse hardware support in Linux.

This is not a ding against the laptop.

Anyone knows how's StarBook's support and general quality? The Horizon looks pretty damn good, but is pricy, compared to Tuxedo's Aura 14, and Tuxedo has a super cool support app built-in to their Linux distro.

Which one did you pick?

I use Tumbleweed on my main PC, mostly because I remember upgrading systems being a bit of a pain back in 2008 and I rather liked the idea of rolling release. SuSE also made snapper, a BTRFS snapshot manager.

The only time I’ve had problems with my PC is because of NVidia driver updates.

Aeon looks interesting though. Going to look into it deeper. I’m in the process of switching my main work computer from Windows 11 to Linux, and I’m contemplating what would be the best option for stability and maintainability. Nix has been appealing but it feels like that might suck too much time on maintenance, one of the reasons I want away from Windows.

Tuxedo is manufactured in Germany.

Assembled, not manufactured. If you look closely, you'll notice that Tuxedo's InfinityBook and Slimbook's Evo have the same exact body.

They both source them from Taiwan.

I had that on my work ThinkPad. Never used them, tbh. Much easier to just tap and hold if I need to move something.