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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joetoscano1/2026/03/06/google-just-patented-the-end-of-your-website/
On the plus side, this kills the SEO market. |
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Brave Little Hitachi Wand
feddit.uk
yakko@feddit.ukJoined: 2025-01-08 |
I haven't hated any idea more than I hate this in a little while |
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WatDabney
lemmy.dbzer0.com
WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-12-12 |
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that a lot of the backdrop for the AI arms race is a competition to see who can succeed in paywalling the internet as a whole. Machine learning is more in the nature of a side business. The primary goal of scraping the entire internet is to then strangle the original sites by denying them traffic, so that the data the corporations have stored away in their centers is all that's left, and anyone who wants to access it will have to pay them. It's essentially rent-seeking on the largest and thus most brazenly evil, scale the world has seen yet. And made just that much more evil by the fact that it's all based on content that they've stolen from us in the first place. |
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mr_anny
sopuli.xyz
mr_anny@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2026-02-08 |
I haven't hated any idea more than I hate this in a little while
This comnent sums up the internet pretty god damn well. I'mma steal it. Thanx. And thanx for good laughs too. |
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AmbitiousProcess (they/them)
piefed.social
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-06 |
IMO this doesn't kill the SEO market, it just brings it in-house, just like Google has tried to do with all kinds of other things. If you've ever seen the little dropdown question options in Google's search results page that give you the answer right from the website without you having to visit it, you know what I'm talking about. Just like the dropdowns, which simply take the website and use it as a way for Google to show you the answer rather than the site itself, this doesn't kill the market for SEO, it just allows Google to decide how to "optimize" the results from their search engine to you, rather than the site itself, and earn more of a profit from it as a result. |
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14th_cylon
lemmy.zip
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-29 |
this can't be legal in any civilized country. |
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HarkMahlberg
kbin.earth
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earthJoined: 2025-03-18 |
Oh good, DLSS 5 for websites. Just what we needed. |
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youcantreadthis
quokk.au
youcantreadthis@quokk.au Joined: 2026-03-21 |
Imagine grocery shopping. When you started it was just a place where you paid for food. There were two near you. One with a kind of lackluster produce department but really good prices, and the bourgoise grocery store that only sold small overpriced portions with a great produce department. Plus the grocery section at wal mart, which is the grocery section at wal-mart Over the past decade things have started to change. More cameras, security guards, etc. Prices have gone up a ton. That sucks. At some point you noticed some items were replaced with weird replicas. Wax fruit, sugar water instead of pasta sauce, that kind of thing. You got your kid their favorite kind of apples, and they were fucking wax. You paid full price, too. Then they started putting everything behind glass. Including the fruit. You cant check if that melon's any good now. They replaced the checkers. You gotta do that yourself. There are secret policemen wandering the aisles. There arent any more employees, so getting anything behind glass takes about an hour. Shopping is an all day affair now. Your best friend went shopping yesterday and youre pretty sure theyre not the same thing that came back. You dont know if this is a pod person or mind controll or your friend is just gone, but this thing keeps trying to get you to ingest this weird smelling pink slop. It got your kid. Your kid got.... Replaced you guess. You hope. They want you to drink it too. Anyway, this has nothing to do with google. Just a cool srory thats not about anything. Sucks killing silicon valley pod dwellers wouldnt fix any of this. |
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TehPers
beehaw.org
TehPers@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-21 |
Sounds like Google decided to take dead internet theory into their own hands. |
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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
replaces it with an AI-generated version assembled on the fly. The user never sees what your team built Oh good, DLSS 5 for websites. Just what we needed.
At least it's slower and burns through more water. |
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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
Sounds like Google decided to take dead internet theory into their own hands.
Well, someone, uh ... had to change the theory into reality. |
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reksas
sopuli.xyz
reksas@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-11 |
more concrete reasons for telling people why they shouldnt use google search |
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James R Kirk
startrek.website
Kirk@startrek.websiteJoined: 2025-03-01 |
On the plus side, this kills the SEO market. IMO this doesn't kill the SEO market, it just brings it in-house, just like Google has tried to do with all kinds of other things. If you've ever seen the little dropdown question options in Google's search results page that give you the answer right from the website without you having to visit it, you know what I'm talking about. Just like the dropd...
Yeah this was my thought ever since I heard that they saw LLM "search" as the future. "Search" inasmuch as it still exists on Google is already pay-to-play, this is just changing who gets paid. |
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kibiz0r
midwest.social
kibiz0r@midwest.social Joined: 2023-07-14 |
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that a lot of the backdrop for the AI arms race is a competition to see who can succeed in paywalling the internet as a whole. Machine learning is more in the nature of a side business. The primary goal of scraping the entire internet is to then strangle the original sites by denying them traffic, so that the data the corporations have stored away in th...
Middle ages: Peasants share common land and tools — it’s not so much that they collectively “own” it, but that “ownership” is not a concept that applies, because the land is an obligation and not a product. Then come the enclosure acts, which take all of the land that the commoners have spent their lives contributing to, and give it to the wealthy. And then come some of the bloodiest revolts in history. And coinciding with this, you have the Luddites objecting to the wealthy replacing their common workspaces with factories that maim and kill people. The Luddites attack the factories, and destroy the machines. And the British eventually defeat them, using an occupying army larger than the initial wave they send to fight Napoleon. Digital age: Peasants share common online spaces — it’s not so much that they “own” them, but that they share a mutual obligation to each other to maintain these spaces. Then come the tech oligarchs with their AI, and… |
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Endymion_Mallorn
kbin.melroy.org
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgJoined: 2024-11-17 |
Imagine grocery shopping. When you started it was just a place where you paid for food. There were two near you. One with a kind of lackluster produce department but really good prices, and the bourgoise grocery store that only sold small overpriced portions with a great produce department. Plus the grocery section at wal mart, which is the grocery section at wal-mart Over the past decade thing...
Can't get enough of The Stuff, right? |
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OwOarchist
pawb.social
OwOarchist@pawb.social Joined: 2026-02-13 |
Can't wait for the calls from outraged customers demanding that I honor the AI-hallucinated offers they found on my website. (The AI decided that customers were more likely to stay on my webpage if my prices were 80% lower.) |
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org
lemmy.org
org@lemmy.org Joined: 2026-03-15 |
We just need a new browser that uses different dns and we can start our own web. 😇 |
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morto
piefed.social
morto@piefed.social Joined: 2025-07-03 |
Degoogle, my people, degoogle... Don't try it all at once. Do it in steps, starting with simple things, like a different search engine, using local docs or foss cloud service, replacing google apps, trying a different email service,etc Don't overthink it. There's nothing perfect. Just try any alternative and stick to it if you like it. But overcome the inertia, try something. The less users they have, the less powerful they will be. And don't fall for the trap of thinking that it doesn't matter or doesn't make a difference, because that's what benefits them in the end. Remember, the most important thing is to overcome the inertia. |
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youcantreadthis
quokk.au
youcantreadthis@quokk.au Joined: 2026-03-21 |
Can't get enough of The Stuff, right?
Just got banned from a bunch of subs for saying murder bad? I dont want to get banned from more stuff so: So i guess murder some subhuman filth with an mba today! It may not fix anything, but it will feel good, and thats what matters! |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
So in other words, w patent that will "allow' google to steal your website's content so that they can make even more moneys from it. Sounds like a typical Google day to me |
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sanzky
beehaw.org
sanzky@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-22 |
while this sounds awful. there is little correlation between patents and actual features. companies patent whatever they can. it mean little if it is a good idea or not. they just want the largest possible patent portfolio. |
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chicken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
The reasons they want to do this sound horrible, and I wouldn't want to use any such thing Google puts out, but I was thinking the other day about how something like this might be useful for enhancing privacy by preventing websites fingerprinting you. Think something like an Invidious server, except for any arbitrary website instead of only youtube; you can indirectly interact with javascript features, maximize the browser to fill your whole monitor revealing its resolution, but the end server will never know you are doing this stuff because all they see is the way your middleman server is configured (which will be as generic as possible). |
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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
The reasons they want to do this sound horrible, and I wouldn't want to use any such thing Google puts out, but I was thinking the other day about how something like this might be useful for enhancing privacy by preventing websites fingerprinting you. Think something like an Invidious server, except for any arbitrary website instead of only youtube; you can indirectly interact with javascript f...
So, Tor with fewer steps. |
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chicken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
So, Tor with fewer steps.
Afaik even Tor can be vulnerable to some kinds of fingerprinting, if javascript is turned on, which is required to use some websites, I'm thinking of this as something that could be used in conjunction with Tor |
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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
Afaik even Tor can be vulnerable to some kinds of fingerprinting, if javascript is turned on, which is required to use some websites, I'm thinking of this as something that could be used in conjunction with Tor
You'd be surprised how few websites actually require third-party JS. I've been using NoScript for years, and I'll allow the first-party JS to read something, but the other 15 domains can go fuck themselves if I can't read the article without totally opening up my computer to trackers. |
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chicken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
You'd be surprised how few websites actually require third-party JS. I've been using NoScript for years, and I'll allow the first-party JS to read something, but the other 15 domains can go fuck themselves if I can't read the article without totally opening up my computer to trackers.
I don't like the thought of first-party javascript being able to fingerprint me either though |
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SteevyT
beehaw.org
SteevyT@beehaw.org Joined: 2024-06-25 |
I haven't hated any idea more than I hate this in a little while
Drink verification can. (I know this is a joke, but someone somewhere will probably try to make it not a joke) But this is a pretty damn close second. |
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Kissaki
beehaw.org
Kissaki@beehaw.orgJoined: 2024-03-12 |
That doesn't read/seem very novel. Seems like a pretty obvious iteration or implementation if you wanted to implement something like that. |
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Powderhorn
beehaw.org
Powderhorn@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-06 |
That doesn't read/seem very novel. Seems like a pretty obvious iteration or implementation if you wanted to implement something like that.
That's the whole point of patents! If it's obvious and you get to it first, and you can lawyer up, you can prevent others from doing the obvious. |
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Life is Tetris
leminal.space
tetrislife@leminal.space Joined: 2025-05-15 |
This should be grounds for prosecution as phishing, right? |
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hitmyspot
aussie.zone
hitmyspot@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-03 |
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that a lot of the backdrop for the AI arms race is a competition to see who can succeed in paywalling the internet as a whole. Machine learning is more in the nature of a side business. The primary goal of scraping the entire internet is to then strangle the original sites by denying them traffic, so that the data the corporations have stored away in th...
I think it's not just about holding the information hostage, but also about holding comoute power hostage. Just like the move to subscriptions for everything you won't own. You'll no longer own processing power but will subscribe to it. I think the chines models and the open source community are going to be very helpful in combatting that. Already it's hard to get hardware that is not geared towards ai. Be that a phone, or a PC. If ram and video cards and storage continue to be too expensive, cheaper consumer products are the end result, whereby only labs and corporations have processing power. Luckily when that happens, we can just ask ai to vibe code more efficient apps that our crappy hardware can run, making sure to specify that they are secure and privacy focused. |
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WatDabney
lemmy.dbzer0.com
WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-12-12 |
I think it's not just about holding the information hostage, but also about holding comoute power hostage. Just like the move to subscriptions for everything you won't own. You'll no longer own processing power but will subscribe to it. I think the chines models and the open source community are going to be very helpful in combatting that. Already it's hard to get hardware that is not geared to...
Mm... yes. You might well be right. I can see a number of otherwise inexplicable things that point that way. That said, while they'll undoubtedly capture a significant amount of the market, I don't see any way they can monopolize it - computing technology is simply too common and even mundane. Still though... |
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