The West: My data and research is correct! All chinese sources are propaganda!
China: My data and research is correct! All western sources are propaganda!

The difference is that the later is almost always confirmed by the state department 25 years later because of the Freedom of Information Act.

And even then westerners choose not to believe it; but they'll believe the Epstein files. 🤷‍♂️

You shouldn't believe anything the government tells you, no matter what direction you identify with. Especially these days.

The American state likes to attack small countries under the pretext "it's to liberate the people".

And the Chinese not admitting to propaganda due to the lack of a FOIA-equivalent means they don't do propaganda?

More factual according to who?

So verified by the people who put out the propaganda in the first place. Your source "confirming" the story literally came from Beijing, and all the wikipedia page (Hardly an arbiter of objective truth in the first place) states is that the number is and has been in dispute. The source cited for that section of the Wikipedia article is also a Western source titled "Quelling the People: The Military Suppression of the Beijing Democracy Movement" published in 1998 by the Stanford University Press. Something tells me they weren't pushing the CCP line.

So basically your "Easy example" just proves my point: While you chuckle about westerners just believing what western governments said, you're just wholeheartedly endorsing the version of events published by the Chinese government. The west aren't the only ones lying to you, bud, they're just the only ones who will admit it years after the fact.

Your source “confirming” the story literally came from Beijing

PUBLIC LIBRARY OF US DIPLOMACY.

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The difference is that the later is almost always confirmed by the state department 25 years later because of the Freedom of Information Act.

And even then westerners choose not to believe it; but they’ll believe the Epstein files. 🤷‍♂️

Thank you for your service as an example for the audience. LMAO

This is just a liar thinking that everyone else must also be lying

On the constant lies:

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/the-lies-get-so-tedious

Im gonna start replacing "relevant XKCD" with "relevant Caitlin Johnstone"

Anybody upvoting this post should know what OP means when they post this. This is the post they made immediately afterwards: https://lemmy.ml/post/44920093

90% of their posts are pro-Putin

Decide for yourself whether or not they are reliable and/or propaganda

This putin guy lives rent-free in your head. No rent, means no middle-men leeching off you, which is unamerican, therefore you're actually pro-putin!

Here i thought “ml” was a Marxist-Leninist instance. Yet it seems people support the decidedly pro-capitalist anti-Bolshevik Putin just because he’s the leader of Russia

Wild times for Communism

Besides what Cowbee said, the explicitly ML instance is Lemmygrad, and Hexbear is I believe broadly leftist, this instance is more generalist even if it does seem to be mostly commies here as well.

I'm not a fan of Putin but as long as the mainstream narrative frames everything around him as evil just because he goes against imperialism we'll have to put things in context and push back or else we miss the chance to remind people of the primary contradiction.

If it truly isn't about imperialism, then how come is everything bad about him okay to tolerate, ignore or even celebrate when the people doing it are compradors or imperialists?

If you have the awareness to understand where criticism of him comes from then participating in helping imperialism is dumb, and if you're itching to help imperialism leftist-y you're just the compatible left and you've been played.

We've seen empires tearing apart whole regions and butcher indigenous people and revolutionaries for so long at this point. Some of us know people who died in the last round of US backed regimes in the cold war. Some of us live in countries that were targeted even more recently than that by regime change operatives and the MIL. Let's stop ceding the ground to liberals with the memory of a goldfish and no political literacy.

Modern Russia may not fulfill all 5 of Lenin’s criteria for imperialism, but it’s moved closer to imperialism under his leadership, with the state actively working to create/consolidate capitalist monopolies and the expansionist military actions being the most blatant signifiers

When i say Russian state media is talking nonsense when they talk about “liberating” Ukraine, it’s not because I’m pro-imperialism, is because it’s absolute bullshit

You can hate the US and similar nations without mindlessly repeating the rhetoric of a ruthless expansionist capitalist dictator just because he’s opposed to the US

the foia is a cover-your-ass strategy that the us adopted once they realized that their skullduggery was going to get out eventually anyways, meanwhile the chinese are up front about their intentions.