Yeah I am basically a corpse at this point.

You:

From my school group, were all now vintage, some have effectively lived "older person" mentality since turning 30. For completely unscientific observations, they also appear physically older too.

Me: "I'm 4X years old, I have my whole life ahead of me."

News: "Another 40-something person with enough money to definitely have done something about their health issues dies of something terrible that their body did to them."

One of the fun things about being in your 40s is that, as long as you're taking good care of yourself, you don't feel THAT old, but the only way you'll be considered young is by dying within the next 10-20 years 😄

❌ "He's still young, only 43"

✅ "He was so young, only 53"

For completely unscientific observations, they also appear physically older too.

This sounds plausible, if we assume having a "old person" mentality is correlated with things we know age people faster like stress, lower physical activity, and less cognitive stimulation, and that on top of it, it also influences how people dress and body language, it wouldn't be surprising it would make people look older.

On the other one, some "youthful" behaviours, like not sleeping enough or substance abuse, will also age people in their 30s very fast.

I don't know whether muscles were meant to do that or not but I don't think they should... 😕

My dad started looking his age of 60 as soon as he stopped saying "you're as old as you feel" after a depression.

my life partner, had a coworker suddenly die in their sleep, for no decernable reason. they were 32 and in near perfect health. exercised, are healthy, had good work/life balance and didn't use drugs...

reality's is cruel, there is a reason billionaires set the retirement age so late...

live today, tomorrow is not garuanteed. that's why they are working you to death today.

he was 7 years old when that was filmed

Takeaway: Sitting in the car for hours every day is bad for people. Public transit costs time in the short term but saves time (and money) in the long term.

Pleased to report still a bit childish, but no recreational chemicals. Sadly, I'm still looking my age.

Saw someone making a "bricked up" joke on YouTube the other day and a reply saying "that used to mean you had constipation, who though it was a good idea to change that to having a boner?" and one reply to that was "I have literally never heard bricked used in that way, you must be like 30 or something."

And that made me weirdly irritated. It's written like being 30 is wrong because of how "old" it is. Not once in my life, even as a kid, did I see it like that. And not just for 30 year olds but for any age, like being some age is somehow bad or something to be ashamed about. It's such a shitty view.

The Real World

A 29 year old is barely an adult. They've never really faced any hardships. They still turn to mom and dad for advice on any major decision. They diet is mostly products that advertise during kids' cartoons. They haven't saved a cent towards retirement, have no investments, and half their furniture is stuff they grabbed from the side of the road while they were in college / university.

The Sports World

The 21 year old rookie asks for advice from the wisest person they know, their 29 year old teammate.

That tracks. People only care about our birth and your death. In between, they treat you like a vending machine that owes them something.

You are punished for every moment you spend being human, every moment not devoted to the machine.

As someone interested in e-sports, it's a bit harsh to see the top players agree that 20-25 is way too old to be good.

I used to get irritated when I heard or saw things like that too, but now I just kind of chuckle internally because it's just a really immature mentality and it won't last long because being fifteen turns into being thirty way faster than they realize.

Wrong in DotA and AOE 2.

That being said there is some advantage to being young, but experience is quite impactful in less twitchy games.

Fernando Alonso is always going to be in F1.

The best Counter-Strike players usually fall within that range. There's also plenty of 30+ veterans to be found in the pro scene, some even in the world's best teams.

They only seem to care when it benefits them directly. Punishment is collective, enhanced by the poisoned individualism destined to segment and distrust the other people we should be seeing as friendly. The fact is, anything other than life or death is essentially lies and deceiving, this is evident with the "protect the kids" and the like - using a particular minority as tools of discrimination.

Like you said, from the moment of birth, we are destined to keep the bone crushing machine running. Manipulated and exploited is one way to describe this

See this is why I just do what I do. My ticket is going to get punched regardless eventually, and if the trade off to claw back a few extra years at the end of the line is to be miserable eating plain cheerios and running on a treadmill for 3 hours a day, they can have those years and Ill just be happy while Im living.

Thus far...knock on wood...its served me well.

I would have left regardless, if it were not for my family. Now got debt for years, then I will do a disappearing act. No use participating any.ore, I don't even get proper healthcare.

Basically every single broodwar pro is older than that. Its just idiots who dont know what theyre talking about, even if they are a top player themselves. The only reason its kinda true in physical sports is because of the immense strain you put on your body.

It'll be a sad day when Niko or Karrigan retire.

I'm a outliving everyone so nobody needs to read any obituary bs about me.

Realizing this was probably the last Winter Olympics where I’ll be younger than any of the hockey players was a fun thought.

When I was a teen, I noticed something adults missed quite often, yet pointing it out before the fact would be ignored cause "adults are talking" and after the fact would get everyone pissed because "don't be a smartass".

Now I am faced with "In your age it's yoo late to start learnin x" and "You still need more experience in life, kid"

People gotta dyscriminate on age or they'll get stressed I guess. The worst case for me was a coworker that was like 2 years older, but the way I behave makes me seem younger I am so I got hit with both anti-young and anti-old banter by him X_x

I don't get it. Judge opinion, idea or perfomance, not it's source.

Yeah, I guess it depends on the game a lot. I occasionaly watch Rocket League. It's just pure reaction, muscle memory and quick movements, so basically no one in the top matches are above the early twenties.

I think the biggest problem in rocket league is the amount of practice needed to maintain a pro level of play. Once these kids grow up and need to start handling adult life, rocket league doesnt really fit in.

I think if it were possible or reasonable to pursue professional rocket league as a career, we would see older players.

How is a 29 year old barely an adult? I swear the older someone is, the more they shift the age they think is considered "young".

I agree I turned 26 last month and anybody who is younger than 25 is a baby, especially if they went to college instead of being ground down by the workforce out of high school.

Science does move on. I believe recent studies have pushed the brain development ending date past the previously thought 25 years old.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgl6klez226o

This study suggests it lasts until 32, where you are generally a steady adult until 65.

We probably need more confirmation from more studies, but that's one explanation.

We're not talking about brain development here. You're well past the age where you're considered a consenting adult, and have (in most cases) been in the work force at least a few years, if not more.

Yeah, but that's the traditional things that are arbitrary. Those decisions weren't really made by scientific consensus, but more by societal needs and norms. In older times you were also considered an adult earlier because that benefitted society at the time.

As we learn more, and as society and its issues changes, so do these agreed upon lines. It's less shameful to continue living at home into older ages because housing markets are harder now, and the brain development thing may not really affect work and the like, but some are arguing that it changes the effect of drugs/alcohol/trauma/life long decisions etc.

Whether this could change how we decide if those ages should affect the items you mention are yet to be seen, but keep in mind stuff like Insurance companies finding people under 25 more risky than above 25. Some industry could argue (probably unsuccessfully) that they may need to move it to 32, or people may start suggesting marriage etc should be later than the 20s, etc.

They're still not talking what you're talking about. They listed a set of specific activities and behaviors they believe 29 year olds engage in to say they're not adults.

They eat children's food, have no money saved, no proper furniture, no hardships, and they ask their parents for advice. (Having parents you respect the opinion of and asking for advice is evidently childish).

That's an extremely patronizing view on 29 year olds.

You're talking brain development studies. That has nothing to do with adulthood.

Ah, my apologies then. I don't agree with the parameters the thread OP defined.

Nah man, you were right. Brain development is an appropriate metric, more so than random laws made by probable pedos. Not sure why the user you responded to said brain development has nothing to do with adulthood. I’d say it’s more sound than whatever we decide at the time because it fits a narrative and benefits our societies (which are still often exploitive)

And then there's Chess, where I can get thrashed by 8 year olds and 80 year olds alike.

So do you think 30 year olds should be considered children, legally? Some intermediate thing where they get some rights but not all?

Adulthood, as a human concept as opposed to a strict biological classification, is a medley of biological, legal and social definitions. Do you exist in society independently, or under the explicit social umbrella of your guardian? Do we find you legally capable of bearing guilt? Are you physically mature?
Can you answer those questions with an fMRI? We can estimate age with one, but that just gets back to where we are now. We can measure brain connectivity, which is associated with the frontal cortex properties we associate with responsibility. The inflection point we see is around 15, and the growth rate after that is largely subsumed by the margin of error between individuals. We can also see that the brain doesn't really stop developing those connections.

None of that answers the primary questions of what constitutes adulthood for humans.
Given that the comment thread started with assertions about how 29 year olds act and behave in society and what's to be expected of them responsibility wise, it's clearly a discussion about the social aspects of adulthood, not the biological measurement of brain maturity.

Diana Nyad was 64 years old when she swam 110 miles from Cuba to the USA without a shark cage.

You’re right it’s definitely a nuanced topic where a bunch of questions like this, along with things like the brains development and maturation as a machine into 30-mid 30s would be important to discuss.

All I know is politicians who obviously can’t be trusted make laws that allow the interests of their donors/lobbyists to decide people can drink/smoke their products, go into porn/to war etc. Not an actual interest, understanding and desire to make sure people are allowed their inalienable independence while also “protecting” them.

I also know I was a hopped up lil shit who was more than happy to find my own ways of accessing things only adults should have, after gaining adult status felt like not only me but the people my age around me weren’t capable of realizing the actual repercussions of some of the choices we were making and even now I can’t fathom thinking I’ll be done developing until I hit dementia and/or death.

Maybe what we have now (varies across societies) is best but I’d think if we put our minds to it we could come up with something better. That being said if I feel so inclined to partake & given the option, I’ll still chose a Midwest bar with a 25-30+ age limit over the anyone over 21 option

If she was younger, she may have been able to carry the cage instead of leaving it behind.

Whereas I've enjoyed probably far too many recreational chemicals and still look the same as I did 15 years ago pretty much.

Now don't take this the wrong way but I feel the need to dislike you for being so lucky! 🤣🖖
(British humour, intended to be friendly not rude by the way)

Oh I'm sure I more thanake up for it with my many other deficits don't worry haha