How dare you use the Star Wars term!

I was reading your comments thinking, it wasn’t that bad guys. One quick google search revealed I was thinking about the 2021 movie and had completely blocked all memory of the 2016 one. You’re spot on, it was atrocious!

I'm not defending him, but let's be honest with ourselves here. He was born nearly a decade before World War II. It's amazing that he's this progressive, plus he actively supported African American rights. And if you don't believe me, why not hear it from Nichelle Nichols herself. Credit where credit is due.

Jeffrey Hunter was the first Star Trek captain.

i'm pretty sure it's because they tried to make degrassi in space.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise the starring role of the TOS series , Captain Kirk was played by Jeffrey Hunter. How many episodes was he in?

Boy, do I wish I hadn't read this comment. This makes me sad to know.

Captain Christopher Pike was played by Jeffery Hunter in the first Star Trek series, but was only in the pilot or something before Shatner took the reins. If you were sincerely asking.

Sorry, what happened?

I guess i'm in the minority of people who thought Janeway was the best starship captain as a kid. She's badass and she drinks coffee.

I disagree, Ghostbusters: Answer the Call received way more hate than it deserved. I really enjoyed it and I have rewatched it a bunch of times, more than I’ve rewatched Ghostbusters 2. Holtzman is my favorite character and I love the goofy dance she does with Abby. And I love Chris Hemsworth’s character, he does big goofy handsome guy really well.

It was way better than the last 2. I watched Afterlife once and I have no interest in watching Frozen Throne at all.

Yeah unfortunately nothing works like it did during TNG-era anymore. There's no more syndication, no soft continuity resets, no time to try different things. Every season of a show has to be a 12 hour movie, with every episode integral to the last. You just can't do that for more a handful of seasons before show runs out of steam dramatically. Shows have be in the groove from the start or they're just going to be cancelled.

It's why I don't even bother torrenting any series anymore. It's a failure of the modern enshitified financified mega monopoly dystopia rather than the shows themselves though.

I remember a coworker saying something about trans people and how we can't say anything anymore because it all has to be about them or something. I never got the impression this person was bigoted. It seemed completely out of character. I said something like ("They just want equal rights and the same respect as you and I. What's the issue?") Maybe people should worry more about weather or not their kids are learning the life skills they need to survive and less about weather or not their kids see two dudes kissing in a movie. Mom and dad need to untighten their buttholes. Even if I don't understand something, I try to be empathetic and understanding to those who are different from me. I wish everyone else did.

Possibly lt broccoli

The first pilot that wasn't aired. It's what got turned into the Talos IV episode with Pike, they used that footage for his "dream" life

Holy fuck, how many of the things have they made? Jurassic fucking Park over here lol.

If you were sincerely asking.

not really. When people are thinking about their favourite captain, especially before the revival, Jeff was never in the running. Hell, Bakalar Bakula is barely in the running.

I’m with you. 2016 may not compare to the original, but it was a solid comedy with a good heart. The bloody meltdown parts of the internet had over it was insane.

What really gets to me is that he's fucking Mung Daal in Chowder, whose actor is was a literal kid. God knows what kind of poison lies he fed that boy. I really liked him in chowder too.

I agree. It's one of those nerd pedantic facts that people throw out.

The new show was cancelled because not enough people watched it.

"Outsized influence" my ass.

Money talks. You think if the show hit the top ten in the streaming Nielsen stats that they'd cancel it because some people "didn't like it"? Get real.

People are allowed to like something. People are allowed to dislike something. If enough people like it, the show gets enough viewers to continue. If not. It doesn't.

People who don't like it aren't obligated to watch it just to prevent it from being cancelled for your sake.

With you 100% on that. I love Picard, but it's Janeway I'd trust to get me through the delta quadrant.

I agree, I love Picard don't get me wrong but Janeway was always my favourite, she kicks ass and is just fucking cool

I'm of the unpopular Opinion that SNW was @ boring rehash of anything I could get from any other show that already exists, and Academy was something fresh. All these irate chickenshits would love SFA if it just had the serial numbers filed off, except that "its woke" because it acknowledges that people just fucking exist.

But hey, can't jeopardize the popularity of a thing that's someone else's "property," not even if that's what it takes to live up to the actual legacy of the Original. Just leaving it to the community would actually let us make something beautiful, as we have done before, so that can't be allowed.

I guess we're just gonna get more Original Series fanfic that lands hollow for me, maybe a hunting-terrorists spy flick, and another mindless cash-grab movie whose screenplay will probably be mostly written by AI.

No more moral questions, no more interesting discussions of what an identity means, no more of what makes science fiction worthwhile as a genre - we have ships to explode - IN SPACE!!!!!1!!

Prodigy, a show written for literal children will be more interesting a topical exploration than a Larry Ellison property.

Its how I pick media these days too. Now that SFA is over, what are we watching?

Please don't make me get a Truth Social account to mine for our viewing list.

“When did Star Trek get so woke?” — My idiot former boss.

Only 37 years to go.

My only issue with that movie was the timing of a few jokes (they made them longer than they should so they stopped being fun) and that the trailer spoiled half of the jokes. The movie itself is cool.

The newest ones? their only redeeming quality for me is Egon's granddaughter. The kid is really good. Everything else is just the dumbest nostalgia bait ever (even having the mom's boyfriend a literal stand in for the kind of fan the movies pander to).

I recently learned that Shatner and Takei don't actually use social media and all the posts you see from them are just some employees that were instructed to speak in their style.

Back in 1965.

I really dislike Takei's one (Jay Kuo) because of how shamelessly he uses it to promote his own substack sometimes.. and because of a specific substack post of his where he said "oh no it's so bad Arizona got abortion banned.. but there's a silver lining, maybe they'll learn to vote blue the next time" or some shit like that.

+3M people losing their body autonomy and the first thing you think is "hey this can be a good thing for our campaign"?? fucking ghoul...

There have been a few examples I can think of where they've called something woke and it was legit pretty mid or outright bad. But usually that's down to it being a game by committee by people who only interact with marvel level writing, like Dragon Age: Veilguard which is just shit or Mass Effect: Andromeda which honestly just kinda mid.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no. Barclay was my favorite minor character in anything ever. Today is a terrible day to have eyes

This is the one thing I will never understand. If you don't like something just ignore it. If you think you are in the position that your opinion matters in any way you can declare why you don't like something once and then move on. All those grifters and their brainless drones consume stuff they don't like willingly and regularly. People who are of sound mind don't do something like this.

I really like Picard and Shran as favourites but I'd much rather work for Janeway. I really enjoyed the duality of her morals from Admiral Janeway breaking temporal directive to try to go back and save her crew at any cost. When I was younger I couldn't understand how Admiral Janeway was so different but now that I'm older, I get it.

How can you not enjoy watching Tom and Harry strike out every 4th episode with the mythical twins as well. Absolute cinema. Also Borg ship ablative armor was fire.

You are also thinking of Shatner lol but his ego makes everything confusing.

fits, hes always a wierdo that needs a psychological help in the show, probably a wierdo in real lfie. he played the same wierdo character on sg1, 1st season i believe as the "virtual reality guy"

true, and he went with BEZOs into space as a tourist and became disappointed after, only for bezos to laugh for no reason after spraying him with ALCOHOL.

it applied to all SCI fi show both pre-STD(DISCOVERY) thats what really got thier panties in a wad, when kurtzman made all the women have lead roles.SG1 wasnt spared either, as recently Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship (the planet of ragnarrs) to refreeze the beasts.

there was definitely a concerted effort around 2020(thats when woke became super prominent in comments of shows like star trek) around election time to illicit more voters to side with conservatives through propaganda.

The science fiction and adventure part of the show is absolute garbage. If it has been good, people would be able to have their cookie while being lectured to about what they should believe.

i noticed that to, STD was one, the show sucked bad. they almost are selfaware, they said terrible writing but then said it is due to wokeness and having women in the show. SG1 was an oddball it got called woke/lib by both tankies and conservatives.
right about lucifer in sandman being casted by gwendoline, shouldve been the way in mythology and comics. but comes up with wokeness as the reason.

JP series with chris pratt is also bad, but i dont see conservative complaining about that, oh becauses the one as the lead, and not someone J Lawrence. i bet they love him even more now that he identifies as a far right christian.

What a muddy comment. Took me two reads to try to figure out the argument therein, after which I stopped.

i dont think SNW was that good, the acting is too wooden, and some of the endings in seasons were like"is that it"? prodigy and lower decks were way better. With ellision in control of trek IP, fans that are usually "left" leaning, how are they going to justify watching and supporting someone like ellison.

academy? kurtzman ruined every trek he showrunned, if they dint figure it out with STD, SNW, AND picard they arnt going to with academy. they are running out of Ideas for a trek show. making the show only 10-12episodes per season hurts it as well.

I believe it was also an old Shatner tweet (well, if memory serves, he technically asked when it got political)
Surprised to see this shift from him. It’s a welcome one but I’m still not sure if I should trust this.

Agreed. People should dislike modern Star Trek for it’s bad writing, not because it’s progressive.

A few years back, I was speaking to a roommate. I complained that the (then) new Star Trek had forced diversity. He immediately shut me down, "Star Trek has ALWAYS been like that". He was a huge fan of Star Trek

I mostly agree, but with shows like Starfleet Academy, the writing is bad in part because of the forced inclusive themes. You're broadly correct: these could be handled with tact for a better show. I still think these themes are handled best when they give the audience room to consider nuanced and complex ideas. Don't shoot me, but instead of a classic New Generation episode I'm going cite an episode of The Orville - "About a Girl". Bortus and Klyden have a baby, who is born female. They try to argue that she should be allowed to remain female, but ultimately the court rules that she undergo the Moclan gender reassignment procedure.

This touches on contemporary issues but also doesn't present the situation as "this side is 100% right, and this side is literally Hitler." The audience is actually left wondering, where does this sit in the contemporary debate? If a child is born one sex, should they be given the right to remain as that sex? Or should a court be allowed to step in and reassign sex? The episode also brilliantly explores the difficult dynamic between Bortus and Klyden, and doesn't portray one as a cartoon villain and the other as a male Mary Sue.

This is where New Trek fails horrible. Zero nuance. Everything is presented in the first 10 seconds as "this is good, this is bad. Accept the message we are feeding you are you are a bad person." That's not Star Trek. Most importantly, that's not interesting. It's not good storytelling. It might appeal to people who really like circlejerking about that particular issue, but that's a minority of people.