It’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.

These days it seems like most things getting called "woke DEI crap" are totally in line with the norms of society, but someone wants to change that.

I never thought of it like that. Fuck, that's depressing.

Yeah, I always thought he was kind of a douche, but I guess his heart is in the right place.

Startrek XXX… I had a different joke in mind but now I just want Startrek 10 the movie staring Vin Diesel 😎

Yeah, it's shatner so you one expects him to be crass, and you one forgets he was the first star trek captain. and agreed with the ideas being shown on screen (unlike, IDK, Barclay's actor)

In the early iterations of the 1960s smash hit Star Trek, audiences were shocked and titillated to see a white male officer in a romantic relationship with a black woman officer.

This continues to be shocking today, as modern audiences are not ready to see any (fully clothed) woman in any form of Sci-Fi media doing anything at all.

Pretty sure that was just Star Trek Beyond, the movie where the crew defeated a horde of ravenous space insects by blasting Beastie Boys hit single "Sabotage".

I think Shatner is complicated because (a) he's 95 years old, and can't be expected to be fully "in touch," and (b) he has definitely had some questionable people handling his social media over the years.

They're trying hard to change it. Almost like they have a playbook of some kind...

Good shit to him. He's 100% right here.

Yeah. I wish people like him, sulu, and stephen king would abandon it already though.

modern audiences are not ready to see any (fully clothed) woman in any form of Sci-Fi

What? Pluribus was the biggest new Sci Fi TV show last year, was liked by critics and audiences, and won a bunch of awards.

99% of what you hear people like that accuse others of is pure protection. They're telling you what they want to do without realizing it, so "woke agenda trying to brainwash our kids!" could be translated into "we want to brainwash kids toward our ideology."

The new trek was cancelled because some people hated it and had outsized influence.

So thanks, those of us who liked it don’t get any more of what we liked because a few dicks had outsized influence.

I don’t get to enjoy something because you didn’t like it. Thanks.

You could have just not watched it, but instead you had to ruin it for me too.

Fuck you. We all need to stop watching these fuckwits who think they know more than us. Unsubscribe from these channels. Stop watching them. They’re ruining our ability to watch things.

e: I mean the snarky review channels and podcasts. Especially those that always hate everything. You know the ones. The hate influencers.

It’s hard to find creative media that lasts more than a few seasons now. Many good things are cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons. Junk media (celebrity or ‘live’ series) are renewed basically forever tho.

Same with Silo and Foundation. This is like "reverse racism" but sexism instead.

Isn’t shatner maga scum?

Edit: apparently not. Who the hell was I thinking of?

I did Nazi that coming

The show felt unfocused and confused. The characters, like the storylines, were kinda all over the place and didn’t really seem to know where they were going. Too much effort seemed to be put into the show’s set and setting, and not enough effort went into the things that went into the sets and settings. It had a lot of potential, but it all of it never really seemed to come together.

Nah, he’s a good Canadian.

Okay, he’s rich, out of touch, and a total dick to his coworkers. But I’ve never seen him express any particularly bad political views.

just, don't ask him how many horses he owns

Looking at the downvotes, I don't think anybody realized you meant "abandon Xitter," not "abandon using their platform for the greater good."

I think (but don't remember specific instances) Shatner is conservative leaning but I guess the canadian perspective makes him very different to MAGA.

You are probably thinking of Robert Beltran? he went open about MAGA shit on twitter shortly after jan 6 IIRC.

It was the first season (and only 10 episodes in, at that, because TV production is stupid these days).

Imagine if you could only judge, say, TNG on the first 10 episodes.

Star Trek X was Nemesis, but who's counting?

That makes sense of it. It was years ago, and my memory was diluted by my contemporaneous stress. Thank you for making me feel a little saner.

Imagine if you could only judge, say, TNG on the first 10 episodes.

Still better, more original, with characters (and actors) on a WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL.

On one hand, I would say that it was, by far, the worst first season of any Star Trek show so far. On the other hand, I don’t think it deserved to be canceled. Just heavily reworked, much like TNG after its first season.

But Kurtzman has a pretty poor track record, and it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse. With the exception of Lower Decks, which was exceptionally awesome. seriously. That show was fucking amazing, and I really miss it.

Academy has a great premise, and I actually really like all of the actors and the prototypical concepts for the characters, but the rendering of all of them is just a total mess. it’s hard to say what to do with all of them because, honestly, I hardly even know where to start. There’s just so much… I don’t even know where to start. It’s a lot. It’s like I have all of the ingredients for a really awesome Thanksgiving dinner, but someone put them all in a blender. And now I have to deconstruct the whole thing and start from scratch. Like, it’s all there, but someone makes it all up the wrong way. I don’t know.

I didn’t know the show was canceled. That’s too bad. It deserved another chance. You could tell all of those actors were working really really hard, and they all had a lot of talent. Honestly? I think that they deserved a lot better.

Huh? What's up with Barclay's actor?

Right wing propaganda guy. Dwight Sclutz

In that level? Better production staff

All new Trek series feel unfocused and confused in their first season. Watch the first season of TNG or DS9 and tell me it was tight. Every Trek is kind of a mess at first.

I wouldn't say woke is against norms, rather against traditionalism. Traditionalism itself is often abnormal, even within its own culture.

shat is part of the problem, outspoken anti-trans

Well… yes, but not anywhere near as bad as this. This was like a bad GHB trip, crazy nightclub setting and all. For any new television show, there are at least a couple dozen foundational elements that set the overall direction of the show and where it’s going, but for this show, all of them were crazy haywire, pointing in a bunch of different directions none of them coordinated. For a normal TV show, when a few of them don’t really work out, they can be re-oriented or smooth out or whatever, but that is made easier because they’re all kind of heading in the same direction. With academy, none of them were ever heading in the same direction, none of them really knew what they wanted to be or what they were even about, or where they were going, so there’s no way to smooth them out or rework them, because any new version of them is still gonna be going in some random direction and wouldn’t know what they were going to be.

If I were the one who was in control of all of this, the first thing I would do, besides firing Alex Kitzman, would be to reboot the show entirely. To make sure that, from the start, everything was coordinated and aligned, and everything was all heading in the same direction, and everything knew what it was, everyone knew what they were or at least where they were headed, and what they were eventually going to be, and we were all on the same page. That everything made some sort of sense, or at least would eventually makes sense, and that we were all on a journey to the same destination. Because, if anything was extremely obvious about this show, it was that nobody had any sort of destination in mind.

Luck, I get what you’re trying to say. Star Trek is very famous for having terrible first seasons for their shows. But this one… This one was different. This first season be lied the fact that no one was thinking of the same thing. No one had any sort of central planning for where they were going. Everyone working on the show was thinking of something different, and there was never any possibility of it all coming together at the end, and we saw that because, at the end of the season, it really didn’t come together at all. At the end of the season, every character, every storyline, every different location, ended up somewhere completely on its own. And nothing really ended up, making any sense at all. And, for every other Star Trek show, during its first season, they were at least able to resolve it in one way or another. All the arcs came to a conclusion, all the storylines ended up in one place, and everything was resolved. But in this case? We were no better off than when we were in the beginning. Lost and confused.

the moment maga calls something woke... I embrace that game/tvshow/movie/book. they all turn out to be pretty good (other than a few gacha games)

He is.

Doesn't mean we can't take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.

He has it right here. That he doesn't fully know that is his problem.

Sometimes they're accidentally right about something sucking, but always for a different reason than culture war BS. Ghostbusters 2016, for example.

don't remind me of that abomination. that 2016 movie doesn't exist. erase it from my memories.

He's such a straight white cis man! (Apparently that's a slur to him.)

Aw man v.v

Yeah, that movie was so ass. My perfect summation of it. We rented it, my daughter picked it out. Like ten minutes in, she says something like, "This is so terrible, I am going to my room."

Now, normally, she will just ignore whayever is on and play on her phone or whatever and ignore it, this, she actively wanted to flee from.

They DESPERATELY needed more episodes. Like they had this whole War College thing (don't get me started on the stupid name), and then suddenly it was just kind of gone.

We got ten episodes, 4 were dedicated to.Caleb/Nus/Metaplot.

Two were centered on SAM, one on Jay-Den, and like 1.5-2 on Tarima. Genesis and Darem basically shared 1.5 episodes.

OK, so with modern TV production, that’s never gonna happen. What they need to do is find some way to transition the style of storytelling to 10 episodes per season. I honestly don’t know how they’re gonna do that, but they need to figure it out. And Alex Kitzman certainly doesn’t know how to do it. So they need it first of all get rid of his ass. He sucks his whole production team sucks.

They also need to get rid of their visual effects team. I really am sick to death of this hyper realistic unreal presentation of this needle in your brain CGI graphics. I hate it so much.

I really think they need to take a break for a little while and figure out how to adapt the 90s storytelling style to contemporaneous production style. Kurt‘s been tried and failed, and they need to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to do it again. And if the price we have to pay is waiting a few years before we get more Star Trek, I’m willing to make the sacrifice.

It was actually impressive just how bad it was. It's like they were trying to make it unbearable to watch. The fact that it carried the name of an all-time classic made it so much worse.

LOL

😏

quelle irony

Lol! That's too bad

Uh...yeah...no shit?