Disgusting. Hire a human.

More busywork, more bullshit jobs, more alienation of labor, for no reason except the system demands it. The longer capitalism is outdated, the more it turns into a self-serving tumor.

Only people traumatized by living in capitalist states would be upset about manual labor being automated.

Do you know of a country who pays their manual laborers a living wage even if they don’t have work?

Yes but, automation has never in history lead to utopia. Think about the labor unions, Marxist. Gotta kill the billionaires first. Can’t be a communist country with billionaires.

I'm not aware of any country where there isn't enough work to go around. And last I checked, China doesn't have problems with homeless or unemployment. Socialism doesn't require people to work for the sake of work. In a socialist system, if it ever gets to the point where there's not enough work to go around the solution would be to reduce working hours.

I think you should check again, seeing as China has unemployment issues. Something that is very well known and documented. Of course, that would mean you’d have to accept facts, and I think ML are incapable of that. Keep simping!

China does have unemployment but it's rare that it results in homelessness due to how cheap it is to live there. There's also the fact that China has mandated plots of family land for every individual to prepare their own lodging on. I know a person that had their Hukou visa expire for a smaller regional city and they lived in a yurt in Inner Mongolia for a little while on their government mandated plot while they saved money to build a house on it. Not great, but it's a place they are legally allowed to do such a thing for no cost. Each plot also already has electric and water hookups. If you really wanted to you could just vegetate on a little plot like that somewhere and grow your own food

It's 5.1%

That's considered pretty good in most countries.

So you admit there is unemployment, how do you think other ML are going to react to that statement? Is there 5% homelessness too or are you too scared to talk about it now?

USA is 4.3% ( if you trust that number)

Anything between 4-6% is generally considered full employment by most countries, including the US. At that level the unemployment mostly consists of people between jobs, rather than people in long-term unemployment where they have no hope of finding work.

The homelessness number you're referencing is misleading. They're not unhoused, they're living outside of their registered address. A day laborer that moves from city to city and stays in group homes is considered "homeless" but they're not actually living on the street. Much of rural China has yet to be developed to a level that can sustain employment, so they have to migrate.

Not that you care.

You don’t know me. I care about humanity. I don’t care to simp for any government on earth. So, sounds like you’re the one who doesn’t care.

And so you agree having AI robots take over manual labor jobs is a good thing. And, this would lead to AI taking over non-manual labor jobs—which is a good thing, right? Because when no one has any work to do… you firmly believe the people in power will just provide utopia for all…. Right? You agree? AI is good, and to you love it?

Do you want to work for a wage for the rest of your life simply to survive? I certainly don't.

We have to be careful, because if the AI which automates our labor is owned privately then it will be used to eliminate our jobs and then eliminate the surplus population left behind. AI which is owned collectively, however, will liberate us from work.

We just have to get to that stage of collective ownership. China hasn't reached that stage of socialist development but they're closer than anyone else and seem to be progressing in that direction. Not that you care, you just want to pick fights.

Tell me, do you truly believe that the direction of the world right now is actually going towards utopia? You look around and you see this?

You’re a joke. You’re queer and you simp for a country who wouldn’t even let you marry. You’re a “communist” and you simp for a country with billionaires. You’re probably pro union, and you simp for AI taking over jobs. You probably love to quote facts and link to data, but you simp for a pipe dream AI utopia that is unlikely.

I’ll tag you so I remember to mock you if you ever make Luddite-like comments about AI. 💋

But hey, you got that fifty. Good job.

... you're really proving my point. You don't care about anything I have to say or any of the facts or data that I quote or link to, you just want to pick and win fights.

It doesn't matter that I find the LLM bubble stupid and I don't think we're even close to AI replacing human labor, because I dared correct you about China. It doesn't matter that I think China isn't far enough along the path of socialist development for it to actually be a good thing when AI does replace human labor. It doesn't matter that my support for China has a lot of caveats and criticisms, some of which do surround queer rights. None of that nuance matters, nothing I say matters, and nothing I believe matters.

All that matters is that I'm in the way and that you need to tear me down so you can win the posting RPG.

There will be a point where it can take our jobs, though. The question is if the AI be privately or collectively owned. If its privately owned, we're fucked and we're all going to be turned into paperclips. If its collectively owned then we can decide which jobs are eliminated and the people who have had their jobs eliminated can help decide what they get to do next, now that they're free.

"China has exploitative labour!"

China: "OK we're using robots to keep labour costs low without exploiting anyone"

"Wait, not like that"

Ones that don't exploit immigration or prison as a source of cheap labour. AKA nowhere in the West.

So, what are the names?

Things I never said.

Cuba for one. China has been working very hard towards it (to a much further extent than any Western country) but due to their massive population it's debatable of they've gotten there for every single labour job yet, but they will.

You’re right. I have won this stupid internet contest. You didn’t correct me about China, you agreed with me. You confirmed there is unemployment in China—which contradicts your comrade. And since 5.1% isn’t a “big deal” then you agree that the US has no unemployment problems. Which is hilarious!! 🤡

And you’re right, nothing you say matters. Nothing you believe matters. All that matters is what the Chinese Capitalist Party tells you to believe. The hive. You’re as brainwashed as every other American.

Keep on playing the victim sweetie, I have a feeling you’ve been playing that card your whole life.

Cuba’s labor exploitation exists even without private sweatshops: the state monopolizes most employment, forbids independent unions and collective bargaining, prevents workers from freely changing jobs or negotiating pay, and in key sectors the government confiscates passports, imposes penalties for leaving assignments, monitors workers, and keeps the majority of wages paid by foreign governments, all of which meet internationally recognized indicators of coercive and exploitative labor, regardless of whether the employer is the state rather than a private firm.

That, if true (since you didn't link any sources), sounds at worst like the kind of exploitation that Westerners like you and me rely on (from "undocumented" or even documented immigrants in your own country, resource extraction sectors in developing countries, cheap overseas manufacturing, etc) that allows us to make the illusion of a living wage from what little work we do in comparison. In reality Cuba would actually be far less exploitative than us because we do all of what you described and much, much worse to people you never see or think about. Where did that cobalt in your phone come from? What about your chocolate? Where does your e-waste go after you drop it off at a big box store before buying the newest thing? Cuba at least doesn't prop up their own citizens at the great expense of people they deem less important.

You cannot ask for sources if you don’t supply them yourself. You just made up that shit about Cuba because you have no idea about Cuba. You’ll find a long history of labor abuse in Cuba. This just proves everything you say is bullshit hive rhetoric.

https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/socialism_faq.md#on-cuba

Not a source in itself but links to many sources.

Also, you know nothing about Cuba and everything you say is straight out of the US propaganda pool which they've been using to justify their illegal blockade of the country. Also also, if I'm just a hive mind drone and you're apparently not, why not post your own sources to show how much better informed you are and how much better you are than me? Seems like you don't have sources and are deflecting from your lack of sources.

Fuck the US. Kill trump. Fuck the embargo. Don’t shift the topic because you got caught in a LIE.

You’ll never once hear me simp for the US.

Doesn't simp for the US, just coincidentally believes every claim the US makes about socialist countries. Cool.

Post your sources then. I posted mine after I "got caught in a LIE." Since you're obviously not LYING and are a well-read expert on Cuban labour practices unlike me, that should be an easy ask for you.

Me disagreeing with your hive mind doesn’t make me agree with the US. That’s just a convenient excuse to avoid defending your opinions. The same could be said for you. You turn a blind eye to all the bad things in countries you’re told to side with.

All government not controlled by the people is bad government. Any country that allows billionaires to exist is a capitalist country. Any country to silence dissent is a fascist country. Any country to put people in camps for extermination or reeducation is a fascist country. Any country to deny civil rights to its citizens is a fascist country.

USA == CHINA. There is very little difference below the surface.

Keep on desperately trying to turn me into your enemy, like they want you to.

Source: it came to me in a dream.

As expected, lol. Thanks for admitting it at least.

China does have unemployment, but it doesn't have an unemployment problem. Generally, people who are unemployed, are doing it by choice. Some people decide delaying joining the workforce because they want to get higher education, and they can be more picky about choosing jobs. Other people are between jobs. And the point you make regarding housing and access to basic necessities is the key part I think. This is basically what people advocate for in the west when they talk about basic income. It's not the ideal lifestyle, but you're not living on the street, and you have your needs met even if you aren't working.

The sheer amount of intellectual dishonesty you've displayed here is deplorable. The other person tried to engage with you in good faith, explaining how you're twisting the facts, but you just double down instead of having the integrity to acknowledge you were wrong. It's frankly pathetic behavior.

Glad to admit that I know you're full of shit.

lol. Fash

Trump supporters love that word deplorable haha fash.

Double back, fash. lol

🤡

you didn't have to spell it out for us, your comments have already made it crystal clear

People who support actually existing socialist states are fascist actually. Peak liberal intellect on display here.

when one lacks the intellect to follow through the implications of what they're saying, hilarity ensues

lol. Nice try fash.

You support a capitalist fash regime. So you’re fash.

That’s why I’m laughing at you! 🤡

Sure buddy, China's just like the USA. These are definitely things that happen in capitalist countries. 🤣

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI

From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China’s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4

From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&amp%3Blocations=CN&amp%3Bstart=2008

Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

Student debt in China is virtually non-existent because education is not run for profit. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/

The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

You have correctly identified yourself as a clown.

I don't support a capitalist fash regime, but evidently you're so ignorant that you can't tell the difference between communism and fascism.

I'd be so insulted by that if I had a shred of respect for you.

So parents will often fork over a large portion of their savings to provision their children with an adequate house — oftentimes buying it years in advance.

I mean, if you read the article you’ll be embarrassed how it doesn’t support your claim.

Likewise fash.