Since when has reality or evidence ever factored into the thinking of a conspiracy theorist (unless it conveniently aligns with their idiocy?)

Fuck Al.

Aluminium Ingestion?

It's hilarious how these people call others snowflakes yet they melt (down) over the smallest challenge to their beliefs.

The article fails to make a case that aluminum is even harmful. It talks about the safe limits but that's not the same.

We literally breathe Aluminum in from the air daily. Vaccines are minimal.

The fucking mental gymnastics of that dude… he says the word, then tries to turn it around on you 😑

Me? Oh, just cooking stuff on this aluminum pan covered in PTFE plastic that I'm scraping with this chromated utensil into everyone's plate.....

Because that’s not the case it is making…

It is the claim made by vaccine deniers that the aluminum in vaccines is very dangerous. This study demonstrates that dietary aluminum exposure far exceeds exposure by vaccines. The implications of this study on those claims are left as an exercise to the reader.

did the HR guy piss off when you explained the situation, or keep it going?

Is the aluminum in the vaccine necessary for some reason?

Because whether or not it's harmful doesn't even matter when the vaccines don't even move the needle on terms of exposure anyway.

With respect to the vaccine facet at least. If exposure is otherwise harmful, well that's up to other studies to determine.

The article is all about quantity but not even one bit about if either quantity is, in fact, dangerous at either level. What's the distance between the "safe" amount and the toxic amount? In a lot of cases there is an order of magnitude or two between the safe limit and the lowest level needed for a toxic effect.

I know this is targeted at people that can't science but I feel it left out a "why are you even worried about aluminum in the first place" bit.

If I were an anti-vaxxer I'd quickly dismiss this by assuming that aluminum consumed is magically not absorbed into my prescious bodily fluids during digestion. Those people are all about that needle phobia body horror so they will quickly move the goal post to it not being the amount but the method.

Aluminum has been used as a vaccine adjuvant since the 1920s to enhance immune response to inactivated and subunit vaccines (subunit vaccines do not contain any live viruses, so they are considered safe for people with compromised immune systems).

From article

And probably uses an aluminium based deodorant.

Aluminium Ingestion?

Did you know that doctor-germs are actually healthier than normal people's germs, and that hand-washing is all a scam by Big Soap. When I'm feeling sick, I just cut a small incision in me with a box cutter and have a doctor shove their finger inside.

So, leave your coworker alone! He's an expert in his field, and those aluminum and mercury particles are the healthy kind! Let him get back to spitting bread, tuna, aluminum-coated mucus, and epithets at his coworkers. Stop forcing him to intentionally misconstrue your cautions into personal insults against him!

Btw, this is the same reason that the exhaust from those giant coal-rolling vanity trucks is actually HEALTHY exhaust. And why I recommend that those drivers cup their hands around the tailpipe and gulp as much of their expertly-crafted emissions as possible!

Note: if you look really closely, you might find the part where I used sarcasm.

i get your point but why would you scrape a nonstick pan

This was HR, in a situation where they can be seen as going off half-cocked.

OF COURSE the HR rep kept it going.

We literally breathe

Is there any other way to breathe? Are there any other adverbs?

It just happens. One day you are too lazy. But even using plastic utensils ofcourse will create rubbing particles. I've actually investigated this at work for particulate control processes. Then you got patterned aluminum pans coated with PTFE.... Obviously the high points on the pan surface will erode or cause utensil erosion leading to more plastics in my balls.

fascinating, that's pretty cool that you studied that :)

Both words are correct, though aluminium is by far the more common word for the material.

Not really. Hardness matters. 'plastic' utensils are soft. They're incapable of damaging harder material.

Where do your investigations get published and peer reviewed?

This comment makes me think you've been huffing heavy metal dust.

Two swings, two whiffs but I'm not sure which one of us is at bat.

This is very simply tested. 30x microscope is more than sufficient to observed microscopic and macroscopic damage.

A quick internet search: TFE (Teflon), which is known for being soft (Shore D 50-60) and waxy. Harder, more rigid plastics include PEEK, Polycarbonate, Nylon, Acetal (POM), PCTFE and UHMW-PE.

Practically any utencil can catch some burnt food and become abrasive instantly. LOL. We're just scratching the plastics into our food every day.

vaccines don't even move the needle

That's literally how they work

Hah, technically incorrect. Vaccines don't move the needle, vaccines move through the needle as they are moved by the plunger.

The human moves the needle.

I am always wondering about that ... It says alumina which is afaik a precursor to aluminum. Doesn't make it safe but not automatically hazardous. I am a chemistry noob so take this with a grain of salt. Speaking of salt: NaCl is table salt, Na or Cl will kill you. Tricky! Does anybody want to shed some light if this is something to consider regarding alumina?

Common misconception that the coating itself is the problem. The manufacturing of the coating is bad, when it's on there you can digest the flakes and they don't do anything. That's kinda the point of them, being inert. Correct me if I misunderstood this!

You're reading the sentence wrong.
We literally breathe Aluminum, in from the air, daily.

Making PTFE is very polluting. However the inert plastics in our bodies come from the pans and scraping. What they do or how our bodies respond is a whole different story. Just because it doesn't degrade it doesn't mean your immune system is going to ignore it and not try to remove it or attack it. The response to it can be a cancer or an allergy or nothing at all. The particles can end up blocking something like any blockage in a plumbing system.

Here's where people stop listening and then its just a crazy person talking. But once we have a good look and we observe the details, there's no disputing it. I've personally have had PTFE and aluminum under a microscope and applied all sorts of scraping to it. From afar, it looks like it's resistant to all sorts of punishment, and it is. But up close it's a soft material, lots of things can scraped it. There's no denying that it makes particles and you can go buy a cheap eBay microscope and prove it to your self. Everything else beyond that is where you need to trust researchers and medical professionals. If they say it causes cancer then so be it, stop using the pans.

The best kind of correct!

No argument there, rub two things together and there is going to be debris of some kind.

The thing you said about the body reacting to and not with the particles got me thinking. You are absolutely right about that since asbestos causes exactly the same problem by not being degraded. It is safe to assume PTFE creates a similar effect.