From the organisation who stopped making a good browser and instead made a bloated slop machine.

You can turn the ai off with a click. That's hardly bloated. Not that it's good it's there at all, but still.

The browser is still good you just have to switch to a decent fork lol

Your interpretation is wrong in a subtle way: this is 50 GB free of a "VPN" (seems more like a proxy) on Mozilla's Fastly's infra, whereas Mozilla VPN uses Mullvad's infra (and is a real VPN).

You use three different browsers?

Yeah, it's "only" a click and it's "only" one thing (that still sits on your computer, unwanted and unneeded and a waste of Mozilla's development and upkeep resources).

Only AI tab groups and an AI sidebar...

...and an AI search engine...

...and ads disguised as news...

...and ads disguised as frequently visited sites...

...and sponsored weather...

...and ads in the URL bar...

...and "privacy preserving advertisement data collection"...

...and a freaking built-in VPN a la Opera.

Tell me, when will you allow us to start calling it bloat?

I don't have any of that, but ok

What do you use instead of Firefox then?

Already have

Librewolf on PC IronFox on mobile.

I've only tried Librewolf, thanks for the recs

There are no public VPNs you can "trust" and saying anything else is an attempt at tricking people.

They seem very confused. They say it's available for everyone with one click and they also say it's rolling out gradually.

If you're a technical user and you don't have it, does that mean they're testing it on the rubes first? If so, what does that say about their intentions?

Not all free VPNs are "bad." It's VPNs that make money off the users' data that are bad.

For example, Proton sells VPN use but they also let you use it for free, albeit with limitations. There's nothing wrong with the free product that isn't also wrong with the paid one — some people don't like Proton for a few reasons, and those reasons are valid either way.

Mozilla is doing the same thing, or at least the VPN business model is the same.

I'm not saying trust them blindly, I'm saying look into it and be open to being wrong and learning.

I see

Turn it on in Firefox with a single click.

but that doesn't say it's available to everyone?

Speaking of bloat 😅️

Didnt say anything about "bad" just that they arent trustworthy.

I’m not saying trust them blindly, I’m saying look into it and be open to being wrong and learning.

There is no way to look into it, thats the issue. No VPNs can be trusted, at all, ever. You can either blindly trust them or not trust them, because you can never actually know what they do on their end.

I just use Firefox, friend. Just Firefox.

Then you had to "only" fix every single one of those things across every profile and computer you've used it on.

So at what point does that become more than "hardly" bloat to you? Or do you consider Edge and Brave to be in the same category of hardly bloated?

God, there is no pleasing this fucking community. Some of you are really insufferable.

Firefox is literally a click and the ai is gone. Get over it.

You already said that, it's not just "one click," it certainly doesn't address the rest of the bloat, and it's irrelevant to the question I'm going to ask you a third time.

Tell me, when will you allow us to start calling all these unnecessary features bloat?

Do you have a limit or no?

Yeah I don't see where to make that single click.

just saying there is no pleasing us, while being displeased enough to make that comment.

pretty rude tbh

Its clear they are trying to attack normal users that dont care what us nerds care about, and frankly, that is fine with me. If they gain market share it makes firefox and its forks more useable on the web. If you care about these thing just use a fork like Librewolf .

Here come the down votes...

You're using a different version of something, man. Idk. But enjoy.

Ironically I would be pretty jazzed about a vpn run by fsf.

Do you understand English? I asked you a question three times and you aren't responding to it.

Do you? I obviously do not care what you're asking me. I've already answered.

Have a lovely day :)

If you feel like being disingenuous in the future, save other people some time by saying so. Maybe you can lead with "I don't care how much Mozilla bloats Firefox, but..."

Right, presumably because it's not available to everyone yet, as they say in the post?

So instead of every ISP watching your traffic, a few VPN companies do it. Consolidating the sources of information is a terrible idea.

And yet, that contradicts the claims they also make that it's available to everyone. Even the topic title, which, depending on how you access Lemmy, might show right above this text (at least that's how it appears for me).

So they announced a feature that isn't available to everyone, and they do say that, but they also say it is. So why say anything at all? Or say it when it is available?

Can you quote the exact line that you interpret as saying that it's available to everyone? Because again, I don't see it. The title I see is "A free VPN you can trust, now built into Firefox", i.e. with no mention of "everyone".

Usually, they just say it's rolling out, because some people will be getting it (i.e. they can't say nothing), but they don't know when everybody will yet, because that depends on how well the rollout to the first people goes.