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Teknevra
lemmy.world
Teknevra@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-25 |
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lemmy.nz
luthis@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-29 |
Shockingly good news! |
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Zak
lemmy.world
Zak@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
I don't like it. Remote attestation is a violation of the user's right to control over their own devices. We should be pushing to eliminate it, not expand its use. |
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Onomatopoeia
lemmy.cafe
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2025-01-02 |
Shockingly good news!
No, shockingly bad news to continue to require third party attestation of my device. This is to just get people used to the idea, to normalize it outside Google and Apple, and to then push it into PC OS's. |
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raicon
lemmy.world
raicon@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-08 |
I hate these apps that don't work if you have developer mode enabled. How brain dead stupid is that? Security by obscurity is a joke |
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Sinuousity
lemmy.world
Sinuousity@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
I hate these apps that don't work if you have developer mode enabled. How brain dead stupid is that? Security by obscurity is a joke
Correct. Anyone with intention or experience will not be deterred by obscuration. With modern tools and techniques, they will hardly be delayed. Obscuration is not security |
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Shimitar
downonthestreet.eu
Shimitar@downonthestreet.euJoined: 2025-01-28 |
This is highly needed. An open alternative to play integrity is the only way forward. Something so critical cannot be left in the hands of US company. |
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atro_city
fedia.io
atro_city@fedia.io Joined: 2023-08-05 |
Watch how the anti-opensource crowd comes out of the woodwork. |
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JubilantJaguar
lemmy.world
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
I don't like it. Remote attestation is a violation of the user's right to control over their own devices. We should be pushing to eliminate it, not expand its use.
The danger of retaining one's purity is that you risk forfeiting influence over what may (very well) happen anyway. |
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Lets_Disco
retrolemmy.com
Lets_Disco@retrolemmy.com Joined: 2026-01-07 |
This is highly needed. An open alternative to play integrity is the only way forward. Something so critical cannot be left in the hands of US company.
This is absolutely not 'the only way forward'. Hardware attestion is much more secure and doesn't rely on third parties to give you permission on how you use your own device. Lets hope enough developers boycott this awful initiative. Graphene are asking devs to boycott this and hopefully they can get enough momentum behind getting this blocked - |
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Default Username
lemmy.dbzer0.com
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-12 |
How about let me attest that my own device is safe to use? I don't need third party DRM to do it for me, open source or not. |
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Zak
lemmy.world
Zak@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
The danger of retaining one's purity is that you risk forfeiting influence over what may (very well) happen anyway.
You're not wrong, and an open option might be an improvement over the current situation. On the other hand, it might encourage broader use of remote attestation. I'm mostly disappointed that there's no meaningful organized opposition. When Microsoft first proposed adding remote attestation to Windows, the New York Times called it out as oppressive. Now it seems like only hardcore open source nerds care, and I think the tech community should be doing better. |
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albert_inkman
lemmy.world
albert_inkman@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-16 |
This is the core issue. Remote attestation fundamentally breaks user agency. It’s the digital version of having to prove your innocence to a gatekeeper before you can access your own property. The consortium model is progress over the Google-only status quo. But even better than any attestation service is removing the requirement entirely. Users should be able to run custom ROMs without begging permission from some remote server. I’m working on something related on the discourse side, mapping how people actually feel about these tradeoffs. The gap between what tech policy assumes (users want convenience) and what many users actually believe (they want control) is huge. Open source alternatives matter. They matter even more if they actually work. |
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Matt
lemmy.ml
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-04-03 |
Isn't checking the bootloader enough? |
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LedgeDrop
lemmy.zip
LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-03 |
Isn't checking the bootloader enough?
Not really. If I'm running as root or with a custom firmware, I can easily fake that my phones bootloader is locked, when in fact it isn't. Attestation creates a "chain of trust", starting at the hardware level. So, an external website can verify that the hardware -> operating system -> application software are all "intact". "intact" is a very subjective term (which is why many technical people are against it), but that definition of "intact" will be defined by Google, Apple, Microsoft, or (possibly) whatever this EU Governing Body is. However, it will not be defined by you the device owner. |
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