cross-posted from: https://literature.cafe/post/30101046

Or get laid off along with 29,999 others because of nonsense.

I wish everyone got unlimited PTO.

So. Painfully. True.

Oh they will notice an appreciate. All the way to the bank, with your outsized contribution to the bottom line. Better luck next life. Hope you're born rich next time.

The concept of a limited amount of sick days set by the company is so foreign and dystopian to me. Do they just act like people have autonomy over when they get sick? I'd rather be working than laying sick in bed, but I'm sure as hell not doing both at the same time.

Eh, it can be a scam too. You'll most likely still have to get it approved by your manager, and when you leave you don't get it payed out like you do with accrued vacation time.

It's been my experience the payout really doesn't compare to a true, unlimited PTO policy.

You don't work hard for the company, you work hard for yourself. Let them pay you to stack your resume and build relationships, BAIL. Has it never occurred to you folks that you can game the system in your own favor?! How is, "I'll be lazy and stick it to the man!", working out for you? It's not or you wouldn't give memes like this the time of day.

Ah. Like Oracle this week, who did it apparently with email.

In some jobs unlimited PTO is good. In other jobs, unlimited just means no time off.

What's with you fucking guys tonight, man. You know exactly what I mean. I didn't say "I wish everyone got unlimited PTO but not actually unlimited PTO."

I feel you. I get it at my company and it’s great.

Nowadays I do as little as possible and get paid as much as possible.

But I'm no Elon Musk yet.

Working quite well for me, but I grinded for decades so I'm good. Lol

Don't lie, we all went through this 4 step.

Oh. Are you saying you like universal basic income? That's awesome

I am curious why you like unlimited PTO.

I have had "unlimited PTO" on several different teams and the way it always works is that my manager decides on an amount of PTO that I get (negotiable). I then have to track that amount over the course of a year and have to discuss with my manager if/how much I can roll over. The only advantage for me is that my manager is likely gave me a larger PTO pool than corporate would. The disadvantage is that my manager and I cannot just open up the timesheet system and see how much time I am currently "owed" so it is up to me to keep track and take it for myself.

You know the whole incel thought of "good guys are slaves to women" and whatnot? This is it, but applied for companies.

I didn't say that, but I also have zero quarrel with trying it. As long as people still retain the opportunity to strive for more.

Someone sold you an adaptation of regular PTO as "unlimited" PTO.

The times I've had unlimited PTO, it's literally just an honor system. Get your work done normally, try to give 1-2 wk advanced notice when at all possible, don't super blatantly abuse it.

I remember a guy at a place I worked bragging that he hadn't taken a single sick day in almost 20 years.

I remember thinking, "Great, so whenever you were sick, you just subjected everybody else to it. What a stupid thing to be proud of."

This dude is my lead right now. Was upset that he was sick over the weekend and couldn't work. Dude works 6AM-8PM daily. Nutso

Geez, cringe. Absolutely addicted to grinding their life away.

No one sold me unlimited PTO. Upper management decided to switch to it and never trained employees and managers on how to optimally use the policy. Everyone knows traditional PTO, from working at other companies or the same company before the policy, so that is what we fall back on.

I don't understand what you mean about "getting my work done". I have an infinite amount of work I could be doing. Every week, my manager expects me to complete about a week's worth of work. Taking PTO is an excuse for me not to hit that quota.

I suppose there could be a policy where I need to get 6 days of work done in 5 in order to earn a day of PTO, but I would start looking for other work if that was expected of me.

"Get your work done" was referring to the nature and expectations of the unlimited PTO policies I've experienced. It wasn't meant as a reflection upon you or your situation.

At my last unlimited PTO gig I gave them 2 months notice that I would be taking a 1 month sabbatical to do some travel. The response was basically, "You're a good kid, thanks for ample heads up, do it if it helps you avoid career burnout."

My whole point and initial comment is-- I wish everyone had that kind of PTO.

My job doesn't even give sick days. I got pointed cause I woke up feeling like shit and called them 2.5 hours before my shift started to say I couldn't come in.

Working well for me. Making $50k in a rural area doing basically nothing outside of my required duties while I see coworkers make the same money doing the work of 3 people thinking it'll eventually get them somewhere (they've been doing this for 7 months).