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bluemoon
piefed.social
bluemoon@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-12 |
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obvs
lemmy.world
obvs@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-17 |
Correct. |
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TommySoda
lemmy.world
TommySoda@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Friend if mine was like "I've been sick for weeks and I can't fucking taste anything!" And I was like, yeah that's called COVID bro lol He was one of the non-believers so I find it cathartic |
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Coelacanth
feddit.nu
Coelacanth@feddit.nuJoined: 2023-07-04 |
Good video. Sad as hell though. I think COVID will be with us forever at this point. |
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CorrectAlias
piefed.blahaj.zone
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-07-22 |
I might have it right now (╥﹏╥) |
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bluemoon
piefed.social
bluemoon@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-12 |
I might have it right now (╥﹏╥)
same. help yourself by atleast eating and excercising and sleeping sufficiently. i can yap on abt what i am considering for myself if wanted |
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ramble81
lemmy.zip
ramble81@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-08 |
Is t that basically the trajectory of most colds/flus? They end up mutating to the point they gimp themselves for most people? For some they still fuck people up, but for most it lessens over time. |
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A_norny_mousse
piefed.zip
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-04 |
We're so thoroughly vaccinated that we aren't even encouraged to test for it anymore. So I don't even know if I have a regular flu or Covid. I think I can feel a difference though. |
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A_norny_mousse
piefed.zip
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-04 |
Good video. Sad as hell though. I think COVID will be with us forever at this point.
Sad as hell was the disaster caused by politicizing the vaccine. The deaths that could have been avoided mostly in '21/22. By now most people are vaccinated and not very much affected, and the virus has mutated towards less dangerous.* And yes, it'll be with us forever just like the common cold. Eradicating it was never the plan. * sorry I should've watched the video first. Of course it's about the USA, things are probably worse there. Around here also Long Covid is being studied and medication is available. |
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elucubra
sopuli.xyz
elucubra@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-03 |
It can be generally said that many (most) viruses evolve to be non-lethal, as lethality reduces their ability to successfully reproduce and thrive. This was the most probable outcome, although epidemiologists warned that "most" doesn't mean all. Mutations are not predictable. Some viruses are horribly lethal. |
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oyzmo
piefed.social
oyzmo@piefed.socialJoined: 2026-02-06 |
still take the vaccine once a year 👌🏻 |
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Muehe
lemmy.ml
Muehe@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-08 |
It can be generally said that many (most) viruses evolve to be non-lethal, as lethality reduces their ability to successfully reproduce and thrive. This was the most probable outcome, although epidemiologists warned that "most" doesn't mean all. Mutations are not predictable. Some viruses are horribly lethal.
Yeah the problem is they mutate in either direction, the "evolve to be non-lethal" part is essentially just natural selection doing its thing after the fact. But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911 (the latter having a death rate of close to 100% and being the reason face masks are widely used today). And while that could be controlled back then, it would be much harder today, given all the global traffic. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
It can be generally said that many (most) viruses evolve to be non-lethal, as lethality reduces their ability to successfully reproduce and thrive. This was the most probable outcome, although epidemiologists warned that "most" doesn't mean all. Mutations are not predictable. Some viruses are horribly lethal.
Number 5 killer in 2025, and that's 5 years after killing off the most vulnerable. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Yeah the problem is they mutate in either direction, the "evolve to be non-lethal" part is essentially just natural selection doing its thing after the fact. But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911 (the latter having a death rate of close to 100% and being the reason face masks...
That's not correct. The influenza pandemic was not a new strain of influenza, it was a strain introduced to a naive population of soldiers taken from remote farm areas worldwide and concentrated into one small region of Europe. Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US. The flu pandemics are more about naive populations. Same thing happened when Europeans first came to North America and wiped out indigenous populations with influenza. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
We're so thoroughly vaccinated that we aren't even encouraged to test for it anymore. So I don't even know if I have a regular flu or Covid. I think I can feel a difference though.
Coronavirus infection is very different than influenza. Most people who say they have flu just have a rhinovirus or coronavirus. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Is t that basically the trajectory of most colds/flus? They end up mutating to the point they gimp themselves for most people? For some they still fuck people up, but for most it lessens over time.
over time most people get immunity and we get a herd effect of protection, which we can speed up with vaccines. |
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Muehe
lemmy.ml
Muehe@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-08 |
But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911 That's not correct. The influenza pandemic was not a new strain of influenza, it was a strain introduced to a naive population of soldiers taken from remote farm areas worldwide and concentrated into one small region of Europe. Then, the ...
Nah you are missing the point here. There was an already bad influenza strain, and millions of soldiers moving home on densely populated ships for weeks was a perfect environment for it to rapidly mutate and select for virulence and lethality. These soldiers making landfall then spread several strains of the virus, which led to vastly different mortality rates across the US. Much like we saw with Corona viruses rapidly mutating into different strains among the lockdowns. |
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thatkomputerkat
lemmy.blahaj.zone
thatkomputerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-01-11 |
still take the vaccine once a year 👌🏻
The Covid 19 vaccines are twice a year. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US. Nah you are missing the point here. There was an already bad influenza strain, and millions of soldiers moving home on densely populated ships for weeks was a perfect environment for it to rapidly mutate and select for virulence and lethality. These soldiers making landfall then spread several strains of the v...
It as only a "bad" strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it. Again, when Europeans brought over flu, it was minor to them, but killed off the natives. Similarly, native American and Inuit populations were killed at much higher rates in 1918. The Spanish Flu was not some kind of super flu, it was a typical influenza but there was a coincidental world war to spread it around from the US to Europe and back, likely from large US pig farms. You can read about this here, or not. https://www.kumc.edu/school-of-medicine/academics/departments/history-and-philosophy-of-medicine/archives/wwi/essays/medicine/influenza.html |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Sad as hell though Sad as hell was the disaster caused by politicizing the vaccine. The deaths that could have been avoided mostly in '21/22. By now most people are vaccinated and not very much affected, and the virus has mutated towards less dangerous.* And yes, it'll be with us forever just like the common cold. Eradicating it was never the plan. * sorry I should've watched the video first. O...
The next round will be much worse, unlike 2019, this time there will be no researchers to study the next pandemic virus and there will be no vaccine. Anyone doing virus research in the US under NIH is shut down. mRNAs saved millions, won't happen next time. |
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Muehe
lemmy.ml
Muehe@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-08 |
It as only a "bad" strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it. Again, when Europeans brought over flu, it was minor to them, but killed off the natives. Similarly, native American and Inuit populations were killed at much higher rates in 1918. The Spanish Flu was not some kind of super flu, it was a typical influenza but there was a coincidental world wa...
Yeah no it don't think it was, maybe "strain" was the wrong word here. Death rates in Europe were also much higher than usual, so there was definitely some major mutation going on. Naive populations will certainly have played a part, but I still think the virus gaining a captive host population to mutate in for several generations on each of those troop transporters, before those incubated populations were then spread all over the country, had an effect on it being more deadly in America than it was in Europe. I mean even the article you linked seems to suggest as much:
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No_Eponym
lemmy.ca
No_Eponym@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-07-03 |
The Covid 19 vaccines are twice a year.
Depends on where you live, because science is different depending on geography apparently. |
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lemmy.ml
umbrella@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-12 |
yes, it was expected to turn endemic. the vaccines and lockdowns back then were done to avoid the death waves associated with it's lethality. i'd be curious to know the lethality rates in the current strains, certainly not as dramatic as before. or i could watch the damn video before wondering. |
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thatkomputerkat
lemmy.blahaj.zone
thatkomputerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-01-11 |
Depends on where you live, because science is different depending on geography apparently.
Considering I live in the US, I keep waiting to get turned away because mr brainworm at the FDA says so. I wonder if we’re even going to see them approve the updated vaccines for new strains. |
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