If Thrawn is canon, Mara Jade is canon. I don't make the rules. ╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮

Reading the Thrawn Trilogy now. Almost done with the 2nd book, so good. Can't believe I didn't read it when it first came out.

I mean what exactly is wrong with the prequels? The general overarching story about the fall of rhe republic is great.

what exactly is wrong with the prequels?

Each day we stray further from God

Well explain then. Yeah I know the dialogue is afwul and some choices like jar jar and too much CGI can be jarring. But what is wrong with the story?

I wrote some tweaks for it a few years ago, but I'm kinda scared to post it here.

The overarching storyline was okay, but it was the execution and the smaller details. Dying of sadness was dumb.

Nah post it I wanna see your tweaks.

Yeah the execution was lacking but if you watched the movies you'll mostly just remember the overall story anyway. Definitely better than the jumbled mess the sequels were. One of the reasons when me and my GF watched star wars I never even bothered telling her they exist.

Jefferson Starship is canon and everything else is fanon

They took the baddest bad guy of badguyness (Vader) and turned him into a whinny emo kid.

For actual points of "that's fucking stupid".... take a look at this map. This is canonical... I've marked the locations of Coruscant (above galactic center,), Naboo an tatooine in red.

I've marked more than a few locations in which they could have gone instead of Tat that would:

1. had what they needed,
2. were significantly safer than tat,
3. would have been able to use (or at least change out) republic credits.

but, no. Tatooine. which was a remote, useless dustball that only had it's remoteness as a positive aspect (and that only to criminal elements.)

of the places I marke, Eriadu makes the some sense. It's large enough and important enough to have what they'd need- and being on a busy trade up makes it more likely that nobody would care or notice their presence.

On the way to Eriadu, however, you also have Sarrassia an Sollust, both of which are heavily built up word's in the republic, and therefor make some sense too.

Christophsis is another world that is a major republic world an was quite built up. You'll find that they probably passed through on their way to Tatooine.

if you're thinking, 'hey, but the trad federation is everywhere!', its rather unlikely that any of those three planets have an active blockade looking for them, and even less unlikely they'll take an active effort in that conflict. If you find that unconvincing, fair enough, lets got to Pantora. Republic world with reasonable people on it. rather in the middle of no where, off the beaten path an fairly technological. They would at least have been able to get passage to Coruscant, even if they had to leave the shiny thing behind.

Which, they probably could have just jumped a passenger liner off Tat, too. details, amirite? Or they could have sent a coded concealed message to the order. gotten a jedi ship out there. all that.

That is the level of detail being made in the stories. Their hyperdrive is shat to hell, but hey, they make it entire sectors away, an chose to go limp someplace that is arguably worse than the place they left.

I've always had a thing for Jan Ors. Hotshot pilot and greasemonkey? what's not to like?

I know it's hard but let's pretend the sequel trilogy never happened.

Holding thumbs for Starfighter: Ryan Gosling, you're our only hope...

To me, not sticking to the original concept of Darth Jar Jar.

The best part about reading the Thrawn Trilogy, is reading the Thrawn Trilogy afterwards to compare them.

Compared to the Sequels, not a lot.

The story is there, and it’s a great story, but the acting is so hammy and the dialog is so stilted that even now it’s difficult to watch parts of them.

The Clone Wars/Rebels is the new canonical Prequel Saga, as far as I’m conserned.

I mean the sequels barely have anything going for them. The acting there is also nothing special. But the story is the main issue anyway so they are quite a few notches lower

Indeed. Blackfinger girls are the best, reason why Kaylee in Firefly is hands down the best in the series.

I'd suggest watching the Mr. Plinkett reviews by RedLetterMedia. They are longer than the actual movies, though.

Why is Tatooine so far from Hutt Space?

mostly because the galaxy map in starwars has always been a mess, if we're being honest.

Watch the Plinkett review

Almost 4.5h for all 3 movies? I don't got the time for that.

I'm OK adding Andor and Rogue One to canon

Agreed. I hated the prequels when they came out. Episodes 1-2 should have been condensed down to 1 movie (no clone wars, just the start up), Episode 3 should have been the second movie (with the change made that the clone wars were just ramping up)... then we should have had a third movie that was pure clone wars and Vader hunting Jedi.
The prequels just needed better writing.

And the Mandalorian.

Basically, the Filoniverse and Andor is canon. Everything else needs to wait in line.

Timothy Zhan's Thrawn trilogy came out 1991-93.

Then the Timothy Zhan Thrawn trilogy came out in 2017-19.

There's also the 2020-21 Timothy Zhan Thawn:Acendency trilogy, but I haven't read that one.

If Mara is canon, the ysalamiri are canon

Mandalorian had a good first two seasons but then it went downhill.

Nah, I just remember the memes XD

I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels.

I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again.

Here are my tweaks.

https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/

Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon.

Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either.

Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that.

Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though!

Yeah I have a tough time with the Mandalorian.

I think the bare plot from the prequels should be included though. Leave out the script and acting and just have the major plot points.

Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here

Rogue one is definitely Disney throwing the Dark Forces canon out. I'm sad to see Kyle Katarn get erased

The dialogs are so horrific that parts of the movies are borderline unwatchable. Nothing makes sense in the context of the movies, basically the Clone Wars series had to fix the whole story because nobody acts believably in the movies. The action scenes (aside from Yoda vs. Palpatine and the Pod Racing) are unbelievably boring because they are not staged well, you are supposed to find the action scenes engaging just because a lot of shit happens, there's no proper thought behind it.

I will never forgive Disney for what they did to Dark Forces.

I missed Dark Forces. I forgot about clone wars though, that should be in there right

They are soooooooo much more entertaining than the movies

Yep Clone Wars is legit and covers much of the big gaps between prequels

The disrespect for the duel on Mustafar is unreal.

Actually youre disrespecting all of Ewan McGregor's lightsaber work, which is simply wrong besides being ignorant.

Christian and Ewan might not have had the cleanest choreography, but they developed real skill to perform the way they did across the prequels and some of the sequels.

Im not the biggest fan of starwars as a franchise as a literary example of storytelling, but I can still respect talent when I see it.

Too much artsy, not enough fartsy

Watch them slowed down for full detail

We used to play star wars rock paper scissors only it was lightsaber lightning ysalamiri and two other things, maybe force push I can't remember all of the rules and you could have two things out at a time and you played against the whole neighborhood at the same time. We had fun.

Wait what. I have the 90s trilogy on a shelf somewhere. There's a new one? And another new one?

That was a hovercraft of some sort if I remember the sixties properly, and no one who was in the sixties properly does.

Off the top of my head: the writing, the directing and the acting...

truuuu