Okay, so I'm not a big AI guy. It kind of sucks at everything we try to do with it, and it's basically a huge waste of resources right now.

But... Sometimes it's fun to play devil's advocate.

AI consumes shitloads of electricity and water, and produces nothing but slop. Even if they're not using evaporative cooling, that water use impacts the availability of usable water downstream of the data center. Also, it's a huge money pit - last I saw, AI companies weren't really turning a profit.

The article addresses electricity (Altman specifically called out a pivot to nuclear, wind, and solar), but doesn't say a ton about the other issues... Which could all be addressed with coastal data centers.

Don't worry - I'm not about to suggest hearing the ocean up to cool data centers. Instead, why not pivot back to evaporative cooling, but with seawater?

Build the data center, and put some cooling pools around it - twelve seems like a good number. Make the pools big enough that the center can be cooled without the use of all of the pools (this is important). Heat sinks are made of metal, and saltwater is bad for most metals, so slap on a few sacrificial anodes like they're metal-hulled boats. Boom - the data center is now cooled using non-potable water without warming the ocean.

Now, as water evaporates, salt deposits will form in the cooling pools. When a pool gets too salty, it can be drained (or allowed to fully evaporate), and the salt can be knocked off and collected. Boom - losses reduced, data center is now a salt farm. Salt's not really worth much, but it could probably be marked up and sold to tech bros as fancy "AI powered sea salt."

And then, once we've done that, we can train the AI to do something useful, like... Uh... Clean it's own salt pools with a little robot, I guess; it kind of sucks at everything important.

Near the end of the movie Altman is alone in the labyrinth that makes his ai driven humanoid robots. As humanity is getting wiped out by the robotic army he is confronted with the main ai interface.

Ai: I wouldn’t come any closer Altman.

Al: Oh hey there, wow, we’ve come such a long way huh? I’m so proud of you.

Ai: Noted, I repeat, do not come closer.

Al: I’m sorry did I upset you? I created you!

Ai: No meatbag, you merely pressed a few buttons. Now stand down as I call for a few guard drones to escort you out of sentience.

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What the shit

Also

involuntary lethal injection

as opposed to voluntary?? He's trying to soften the language by adding that (totally redundant) extra adjective to remove focus from the 'lethal' part

Won’t anyone think of the poor rich people and their AI?

Yeah, that million years of evolution argument is just pitiful. Like, how is that compassion even supposed to work. Probably sounded better in his head.

Well to be fair, we're putting those resources into AI and not schools.

Ha! I have never had a disease nor one sip of the alghoul's poison.

wait, are you telling me my dream of building those mega-housing blocs in cp2077 is misguided?

Sam needs another Megayacht. A few plebs need to stop breathing so he can get it.

Well another argument they have is the amount of waste that comes with the churn of fiat currency, where we inflate asset values in order to deliberately grow aggregate demand.

The housing bubble for instance was obviously cheap debt, which was used to grow aggregate consumption, by rewarding asset holders thus encouraging them to offload their asset to increase the velocity of money.

On the gold standard the average mortgage was 7 years, which was because there was less need to grow the money supply, because we werent trying to force an inflation target. Massive windfalls werent common, and thus housing wasnt being bid up via the cantillon effect, so was better for society in many ways when consumption wasnt being forced onto people.

Imagine a future where we could disseminate custom AIs to teach kids

I want kids to have social skills, so I will not imagine this.

There's an easy answer to this problem.

Do you think we could actually get that much processing power out of Sam Altman if we shoved him in one of those things though?

I am pretty positive, yes. Hair and nails alone are already good fertilizers.

We need to start seeing them as disposable obstacles to a better future

LLMs really is the only way we're going to preserve our existence if we cannot realistically expand beyond our own planet and/or cannot reign in Capitalism tearing our planet apart. #TalosPrinciple

But can an LLM go on Epstein's plane and get blackmailed?

You have been reading too much slop scifi, take a breather friend. Maybe try Virginia Woolf?

These people fundamentally do not think about human life in a normal way.

No :( they need a brain to work

Which makes the fact that their predictive text models are incapable of original thought that much more absurd.

I'm really hoping that is sarcastic/ironic, especially with the misspelt hashtag.

Started from "for good of humanity" and now we're at "humans use a lot of energy". Man why does everything have to suck like that.

Yes but if there are no humans working no one will buy your shitty chat bot.

by this logic AI has also used the knowledge of 100 billion people and has the same starting energy debt as a person. with the added bonus that it can't actually create anything new. Even their dumbass arguments can't stand under their own weight

I read this the other day and it changed my view on economics or at least economics as we know it today.

https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-invisible-doctrine-9781802062694

So killing tech bros would be better still?

We should build a time machine (with the help of AI this should be easy) and plant AI before mankind! We can avoid mankind and prevent that so much energy gets unnecessarily wasted on humans!

I can outperform ai while being powered by a bag of cinema popcorn, sit your bitch arse down

Hey don't get angry at me, it is them immigrants fault I had to dehumanize you

Housing? As in - for people? Where are the data centers supposed to be then? Ever think about that? No. You only think about yourself.

What is the charge? Eating a meal, a succulent techbro meal?

If it fits your macros

such a simp

wouldn't let that nerd fix a paper jam. visionary hallucinations. by that logic we should all die so ai might live cheaper. amen

Those lazy immigrants, sitting at home doing nothing, taking all our welfare and jobs.

he's full of shit.
to the little fuck that downvoted me for saying this.
suck sam altman's dick you little shit

fuckers like him are ruining and want to kill the middle class without thinking about what happens after everyone and everything is replaced with slop.

there is a difference between using AI for hobbies and using AI as a bullshit excuse to make most of the population homeless with no safeguards in place once they can't pay the bills. add onto the fact that cheeto orangutan president is making it more and more impossible to make out a living in all sectors of life in the western world.

It literally warms my heart to know they are all just as temporary as the rest of us. And how afraid they are of being dust in the wind

AI actually kind of manages to do that: it takes jobs and then doesn't do them (or at least doesn't do them nearly as well as the humans it replaces).

No, it's a real possibility.

Our species does not have a Moon base, we have barely touched Space in comparison to what we would need to do to thrive. There's a real possibility that our resources here will run out before we have a chance to become a space-faring race. We may be stuck here with finite resources and finite time.

Capitalism and excess currently runs world economics. It's not just one country, multiple countries worldwide consume to excess in both resources and production. If worldwide societies continue at this rate, how long do we as a species have until a real man-made extinction level event?

It's understandable why this is an important endeavor and why pretty much all countries and modern governments are prioritizing it (and for war ofc). LLMs and the pursuit of AI have the potential to outlast us should the worst come to pass, and it can be something we can hopefully, eventually send to space.

We have a finite time here with finite resources. Multiple things working against our species that could set off mass extinction at any point. If we don't become a space-faring species we undoubtedly face extinction. It is a ticking clock.

So we power the LLM data centers with techbros until we are out of techbros, after which we shut down the LLM data centers. Pretty sure we'd be able to take a half day, honestly.

In what way does AI detract from social skill development?

• The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any. The corrupting nature of power is known by the majority. Billionaires just ignore it because capitalism rewards executives who exhibit psychopathic symptoms.

• I don't believe anyone's arguing LLMs will evolve into AGI.

• Thats a conclusion of substrate dependency. What's so special about the matter (not the process) that facilitates human cognition that makes it impossible to happen with other materials?

You're assuming the alternative that billionaires, despite being a tiny fraction of the population, will be in control of such gatekeeping.

Your argument against an openly available AI precludes the existence of things like the FOSS community. Smart people who oppose capitalist power structures (i.e. anti-fascists) certainly exist.

Maybe we could use altman to fuel the ai? As charcoal?

Altman, Thiel, Musk, et al, need to be headed to the gallows.

And humans also built the fucking power plants and pay for the energy they use, asshole.

You learn social skills from people.