How does a preference of one over the other imply that there are no other options?

And just saying that not everyone prefers whatever standards the fashion industry sets. If you want pockets and also want to look hot, some people are into that. I don't think you have any obligation to look hot if you dgaf about that or even care what I think about it.

I used to sometimes put enture 1,5L bottles into my pockets when I went to the store for a snack and I had no backpack. A candy bar or some crisps in one pocket. A huge bottle in the other. Sure a bit of the bottle was sticking out but like 85% fit inside the pocket

Ok, well I just meant between those two. And see you edited your original sarcastic reply; the vanity surgeries you addressed in your edit was meant as the extreme opposite of my personal preferences.

All I was trying to say is that not everyone prefers or agrees with the mainstream beauty standards.

They would have to be baggy jeans. There is very little value in a deep pocket that doesn't have space to move things in and out of that pocket. Women's jeans, with exceptions, tend to hug.

I responded to a top-level comment saying Madonna looked bad in those pants because I disagreed with that bit and then rambled a bit about it.

Most women don't buy pants with pockets because they don't like the way they look.

A lady colleague of mine was complaining about women’s clothes and lack of pockets and so I asked why. She told me it disturbs the “pants chi” or how it changes the look I guess? It’s not just pants, it’s shirts and even some jackets with fake pockets.

I haven't gone clothes shopping in about 15 years, and my pants pockets are fucking gone. Since yhen I've also started wearing skirts which don't have pockets at all.

My solution? Belt of Pickets. molle pouches are excellent and can stack on each other. So when my boyfriend wants to go hiking, I can carry both our phones, a water bottle, can of stimulants, rum flask, umbrella, and more just in my pockets. It's great.

Tbf, as a woman who both wants pockets and also really does not care for constricting clothing, I would fucking love JNCO type shit to make a comeback (I realize the literal brand still exists but I ain't paying $150+ for a single pair of jeans).

Believe it or not, this is (I shit you not) part of a wider conspiracy to sell more purses.

It's literally a conspiracy to sell more purses.

But you don't need to secretly scratch your balls

You could get close to that look by buying a pair of men's Wrangler relaxed fit cargo jeans 1 waist size larger than you need and then take the waist in 2 inches. For some reason they've been making the same style of cargo pant since at least the 2000s, they make that same pattern from ripstop or khaki twill but the fit isn't as loose as the denim variant. Might not be quite as severe as vintage JNCOs but you'll have the desired effect.

Just looking in the women's side of Wrangler's website, they're apparently leaning into the "cowboy" aesthetic, including a "cowboy barrel jean" which seems to have two characteristics: 1. formlessly baggy fit below the belt loops though with no utility features whatsoever, and 2. fell seams down the front and back. So in addition to the in and out seams, there's front and back seams too, which must be tremendously comfy to sit down in.

This is why I wear mens jeans

If that were true, why aren't men also victims?

Men's pockets are for putting expensive wallets and keychains in

So? If Big Pant and Big Purse are really in cahoots, Big Pant would make men's pockets useless as well so that men's purses would be for putting expensive wallets and keychains in. Why would you leave half the population out of your scam, and the better paid half of the population at that?

Hmm, making a good point there 🤔 big purse need to break gender norms or expand into big shoulder/waist pouch so big trousers can make pocket size equitable

Purses are seen too much as gay, its too uphill of a battle. Although the fashion industry has made progress on this front in the form of across the chest bags.

Women, amirite?

/s

You don’t understand how waists and hips work for women.

Remember when purses for men were called 'briefcases'?

This is, in part, why I got back into sewing. I've yet to encounter a garment pattern with miserly pockets, and if I ever do, I'd just modify the pattern piece before cutting the fabric.

Bonus: pants/shorts/skirts now fit both my waist and hips at the same time, I can choose the fabric (no more poly blends!) and also the colour and silhouette (so it matches my tastes, body type, and existing wardrobe, rather than just being "on trend").

One of the main things my wife looks for in pants and clothing is real fucking pockets. Like that even pisses me off when they have that fake pocket stitched into clothing. Like what the actual fuck?