I lived in a complex that required such samples from dogs. They still never did anything about all the shit lying around

Have you ever met your upstairs neighbors? Talking to someone is the only way to let them know you want something. Maybe they aren't aware of how audible their kid is to other people in the apartment complex

You ever seen what half-arse parented kids will do? All of the above + holes and pest infestations

All it takes is one untrained dog with separation anxiety to chew through walls and tear trim off of door frames to trigger rules like this.

Or one elderly pet with severe incontinence peeing in the closest carpeted corner instead of the litter box.

With that said, children certainly have a much greater capacity for damage, especially when they get older. Infants? Not so much.

Social housing, which is “owned” by the community as a whole, is the answer. Not only for people who are not yet ready to own, but also for housing in general.

Vienna is a prime model for this, where social housing is frequently much cheaper than ever owning a home. Most families that start out in social housing cling to it their entire life because it is just so much more financially responsible.

One is human, which is what you are.

One is an animal that you attempt to humanize by thinking of them as having human-like emotions.

By comparing them to a human 4-year old, you show your own delusion.

I worked retail for many years and I consider children pests as well

Noise canceling headphones? They're way cheaper than parenthood

Noise canceling headphones? Cheaper than parenthood or soundproofing

No, you think the cat's room still belongs to you.

Same here. lol

That's how onr apartment of mine got flooded. Kid 2 floors up was playing with the plumbing

No one is actually doing that, they're charging a fee to do nothing until someone complains enough that they'll send out a strongly worded letter hoping the person not picking up their dog poop will admit to it out of fear.

Humans are also animals

Last time I was charged a pet fee, I asked them "So if my wife gets pregnant, do we need to plan to pay extra on the rent?"

The leasing agent looked at me like I was crazy and said "Of course not, that would be ridiculous!"

And then she realized... Like I could literally see it flash across her face. She dropped it.

My current complex does this, and while I rather doubt the authenticity of the service, I support the threat of it if for no other reason than to make some of the nasty bastards around here actually pick up after their pets for a change.

Just landlords gouging every cent.

Yeah, but all of them. ;) no matter how much room you own.

Found the entitled parent.

Yes! They (or at least the SAHM) are rich assholes who could have bought a house, but instead chose to buy an apartment in a building so the breadwinner's job is 5 min away. They let the kid play with the windows open so the entire neighborhood can enjoy the sounds of the same 10 notes on repeat.

If the just existed quietly then that would be fine, but kids are loud

Imagine saying this, totally unaware of how you sound moaning about other people having hobbies.

It's also illegal here in the UK. Additionally it's now also illegal to refuse to let to someone who has a pet on the basis of that pet*, however, if two parties applied for the same property but only one had a pet, then how could anyone possibly be able to prove why the party with a cat wasn't accepted...

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*if it's not currently law, it's on its way through to being so.

If you don't like what the kids can do, wait until you see what the grown-ups can accomplish.

That's awfully speciest of you.

As if children raised by 'parents' aren't abused on the regular, sexually and otherwise?

Fees for children would be illegal discrimination under fair housing laws.

Imagine pulling a strawman out of your ass while disregarding what I said. I didn't say the kid should stop playing instruments. I said get him some headphones so that all the noise is contained to his ears. Or rent/buy him a place to practice. If you live in a building, you have a certain responsibility towards the rest of the inhabitants that share the living space with you.

Grew up low income in a comission area, currently live next to a halfway house i'm wellllllll aware

Kids don't pee in the same corner every day for years.

My cat has their own apartment. They just let us live there.

They would charge extra if it was not illegal

This goes for everything...

How is charging someone $100/month extra in rent going to cause them to do anything except be poorer?

Yes and what does that fee have to do with it?

Security Deposits are already double rent, and the entire legal system including property insurance still exists.

The $100/month isn't going anywhere except to profit.

In Florida you are allowed to age restrict a community to 55+ only, which is effectively a child ban plus anyone younger than the moon landing.

They would make them dig coal if it was not illegal

Eventually they will find the exact dollar amount that is the threshold for someone to burn down the leasing office, and then everyone's rent becomes free.

I have done a lot of residential work over the years a lot of sales work a lot of things where I've been in a lot of people's houses. Nothing smells worse than a person with cats who even goes a week or two without taking care of their litter box. And that smells sticks in everything. I have pets and I agree that a pet deposit is something needed because damn they do a lot of damage.

Not the point though, is it?

Sorry you missed out dude, I did this all the time as a kid

No, that's entirely the point

Maybe they would if they could, but they can't so they don't. I'm struggling to find the part OP thinks is a "scam".

I don't mind all kids, but it's highly dependent on the children and the parents involved, and especially in anything aside from single family homes, you can't really tell what you're going to get. If it were an option, I would pay extra for an apartment in a child free building just to completely avoid the possibility of having my peace and quiet at home ruined because the building gets new tenants who let their kids run wild and make insane noise at all hours. Kids can be incredibly disruptive if they have inconsiderate parents who never tell them to behave when they act out, of which there are far too many.

when it smells like cat piss, but they have no pets

Nice, in Poland landlords wants to be sure if you dont have kids, because they wont rent you apartment.

When my gf moved to me, my landlord increased my rent by 20%. Rent only, Im not talking about bills

Interesting, I've known people to increase rent for just a guy or guys living, vs a couple because they don't keep things clean

I try to pee in the same location every time.

How do you go a week without cleaning the litter box?!?

Having said that, my cats do do a fair amount of damage to the carpet and some doors with their claws, so an extra fee makes sense.

They also do a fair amount of damage to furniture; but that generally isn't the landlords.

But isn't that literally what the deposit is for? You don't just assume someone will have excess damage when renting.

And sure, have a higher deposit for pet owners. But why am I paying a monthly cat fee on top of a one time "non-refundable pet deposit".