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sabreW4K3
lazysoci.al
sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alJoined: 2024-03-16 |
It’s essentially a ground-up reinvention that pushes electric motorsport into entirely new territory. If you haven't seen the details yet, here is a thorough breakdown of why this car is so exciting and how it fundamentally shifts the landscape. 🚀 The Acceleration is Unreal (Faster than F1) 🏎️ Permanent All-Wheel Drive ⚡ Masterclass in Efficiency and Regen 🏁 Bridging the Gap to Top-Tier Racing ♻️ Zero-Waste High Performance |
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artyom
piefed.social
artyom@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-08 |
Okay but...why? |
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Starfighter
discuss.tchncs.de
Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Permanent All-Wheel Drive Okay but...why?
Why not? And you probably need the additional traction for that kind of acceleration out of corners |
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artyom
piefed.social
artyom@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-08 |
Why not? And you probably need the additional traction for that kind of acceleration out of corners
The same reason every other race car is RWD; It's the optimum configuration. The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. Almost all of the weight shifts to the rear tires during acceleration. Putting an extra motor adds a bunch more weight. How many reasons do you want? |
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sabreW4K3
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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alJoined: 2024-03-16 |
The same reason every other race car is RWD; It's the optimum configuration. The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. Almost all of the weight shifts to the rear tires during acceleration. Putting an extra motor adds a bunch more weight. How many reasons do you want?
But given that it's better out of the corners than an F1 car, it must have some benefit. |
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artyom
piefed.social
artyom@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-08 |
But given that it's better out of the corners than an F1 car, it must have some benefit.
...is it? |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Permanent All-Wheel Drive Okay but...why?
Traction in dry and wet, no wheelspin from the 800hp, more power to the road given the much higher torque. Why the fuck are they using horsepower to define an EV. They should only be mentioning torque. Hp is a fake number based on torque and RPM from ICE. The front drive wheels grab most of the energy to regen during braking, that's why Gen4 is far more efficient. Gen 5 will see YASA-style hub motors and no brakes at all as axial motors can harvest so much energy, brakes are redundant and just add weight. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Then we fly them all over the world in planes using hundreds of tonnes of fuel. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
The same reason every other race car is RWD; It's the optimum configuration. The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. Almost all of the weight shifts to the rear tires during acceleration. Putting an extra motor adds a bunch more weight. How many reasons do you want?
That's a petrolhead take. The front drive wheels in FE harvest energy.
You really don't understand how race cars work. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
But given that it's better out of the corners than an F1 car, it must have some benefit.
Nah.nahnah...all those PhD engineers at Dallara are stupid. |
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sabreW4K3
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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alJoined: 2024-03-16 |
Nah.nahnah...all those PhD engineers at Dallara are stupid.
It’s a fair point if we were talking about traditional ICE dynamics, but EV racing fundamentally changes the math. As for the engineers, the engineers at F1 are brilliant, but they are building RWD cars because of the FIA rulebook, not pure physics. Here is why AWD is the optimum configuration for the Gen 4 car:
Traditional ICE RWD is optimal for the rules of F1, but when you have a front motor already installed for regen and software that can perfectly distribute torque in real-time, AWD is vastly superior for off-the-line and corner-exit acceleration. |
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sabreW4K3
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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alJoined: 2024-03-16 |
♻️ Zero-Waste High Performance Despite the massive performance boost, it remains the most sustainable race car in the world. The chassis is 100% recyclable, the bodywork uses at least 20% recycled carbon fiber, and the new tires are engineered from sustainable materials without sacrificing mechanical grip. Then we fly them all over the world in planes using hundreds of tonnes of fuel.
It would be cool if they had to use electric transport to get from race to race. I suspect we'd see a bunch of innovation expeditiously. |
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artyom
piefed.social
artyom@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-08 |
That's a petrolhead take. The front drive wheels in FE harvest energy. The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. You really don't understand how race cars work.
That's a fair point. But not something anyone would care about in any other race class.
Okay, I've only been studying them for 30 years. Would you care to take a swing at an answer or did you just come here to toss personal insults? |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Traction in dry and wet, no wheelspin from the 800hp, more power to the road given the much higher torque. Why the fuck are they using horsepower to define an EV. They should only be mentioning torque. Hp is a fake number based on torque and RPM from ICE. The front drive wheels grab most of the energy to regen during braking, that's why Gen4 is far more efficient. Gen 5 will see YASA-style hub ...
You can convert it to watts if you prefer, but it's very much a real unit, denoting how much work it does per unit time. Torque alone is insufficient (just as force measured in newtons alone would be insufficient) for showing whether a particular machine is more powerful than another. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
The same reason every other race car is RWD; It's the optimum configuration. The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. Almost all of the weight shifts to the rear tires during acceleration. Putting an extra motor adds a bunch more weight. How many reasons do you want?
To borrow an analogy from computer RAM, unused traction is wasted traction. Yes, when cornering, all of the available traction should be devoted to steering. But for the straights, why not use the available traction for acceleration? |
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artyom
piefed.social
artyom@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-08 |
The front tires have a finite amount of traction that needs to be reserved for cornering. To borrow an analogy from computer RAM, unused traction is wasted traction. Yes, when cornering, all of the available traction should be devoted to steering. But for the straights, why not use the available traction for acceleration?
Because of the other points I mentioned. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Because of the other points I mentioned.
I was under the impression that giving the motors the ability to put torque back into the wheel doesn't add any significant weight over the existing regenerative braking systems. Plus there's still plenty of moments where there is actually traction to spare, where being able to push each tire closer to its traction limits for a larger percentage of the time during a race would surely improve performance. I can believe it might not be worth the tradeoff, but don't believe that adding the capability would always categorically be a mistake. |
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