Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-161321992.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMJ7J4AdvhIXi34MQzQE4UBpOKNL2_ucdyVySZpEbAvYgS3zp6tGZTxL9nM2FCHI5mmS8eF3QEgw6Kc7cNEVbRcm5_cWBMqmKB-kMNi0afCvARtNbXKrCGGVpbPVAZVRY7auqFncVhqfATqwWZsOYB1CI62j4pDRY5_1bq35tVKs

I can't. I just can't.

the reasons i want to get a motorcycle just keep adding up. everything about cars keeps getting ruined

Dooo it! DRZ DRZ!

This is so dystopian

The federal government promises this surveillance saves 9,000-10,000 lives annually.

What happens when it doesn't. Is their a provision to end the program if it doesnt make certain targeted goals? No? Of course not! That would be data driven legislation.

Modern are having our right of repair taken away to not just spyware.

1998 Toyota Carola for the win, easy to fix, and no spyware, and just works.

It was game over for humanity decades ago.

yesterday on a police chase livestream on YouTube the cops tried to shut down a car that was running from them by calling the company. They got a spike strip before they could get it worked out but even hearing that it's an option is absolutely dystopian

here's the vod btw
https://www.youtube.com/live/-d9lHib8FJM

Already exist in Australia and these systems are total garbage that keep warning non stop.

"If the AI determines you’re impaired (blood alcohol ≥0.08% or showing fatigue), it can prevent ignition startup or limit vehicle speed"

So if I the driver is injured, or distraught over an injured passenger, the car will limit how fast they can get to a hospital?

Reckon this needs a little more time in the thinking through phase of the process.

is absolutely dystopian

Esp because they could already use, you know... a spike strip!

It feels kinda like targeted v dragnet surviilance debate. Targeted feels OK if you get a warrant from a judge, use the legal procedures. But dragnet makes for a dystopia. Similar here. I don't want a global ability for some centralized db to flip a bit and stop any body's car across the world. Or, worst case, hacked and stops EVERYBODYs car at once.

That's also a pathetically low number given the size of the population.

In the US alone, over 3 million people die every year. That means even by their most wildly optimistic, straight-from-the-ass estimates, it will only reduce deaths by 0.3%.

Does that sound worth it to you to give up your freedom?

Not exactly true.

They do not monitor the face of the driver and they are only mandatory for coaches and long distance freight.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/heavy-vehicles/vehicle-monitors

Hasn’t GM OnStar vehicles had this tech since 2009?

I live in Pittsburgh. They don't call it the rust belt for no reason. If you go to a junkyard you'll see tons of perfectly working old Toyotas and Hondas as far as the engine and things go, but they're all rusted out to the point of not being worth the repairs. This part of the country sucks for owning any car. Tons of potholes, snow, ice, salt, etc. A lot of roads are just fucked in this state. Can't even avoid the potholes when your whole car's suspension rumbles down the road the whole time. Highways are a little better but not much. There's plenty of uneven roads on them too.

Sucks tryin to stick to older cars considering all this. Unless you get something out of state I guess

i wouldn't know, I was 2 years old in 2019 lol

Best typo! Hello fellow 7 year old!

Even more of a reason to keep my cars from the 80s

damn it, my habit of typing while walking strikes again!

No.

They monitor the face of the driver and they are mandatory for all vehicles

Which state? It doesn't seem to be the case in NSW according to that web page.

Can you disable them? Do they have false positives frequently?

Obviously, people should keep having babies.

That's not how many car deaths per year, in the us it is in the 40,000 range for the last several years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

Not sure where three million came from.

More babies means more victims of water wars, climate Holocaust, and obedient serfs.

I personally got my tubes tied. I didn't get asked to live in a dystopia.

Or, worst case, hacked and stops EVERYBODYs car at once.

I've always envisioned this scenario a little more absurd. I always imagined a hacker hacking a city full of autonomous vehicles and commanding them all to drive to a single tiny cul-de-sac. Imagine the traffic jam when a million cars all try to drive to the same tiny suburban side street all at once.

I'm so glad to hear from at least one reasonable person today. Thanks for that. Everyone lack of awareness is driving me nuts.

It sucks being the only one in your group being aware of situations, and being ignored until shit hits the fan.

And you can't really go "I was right the entire time, and you were wrong the entire time" because it doesn't solve anything. You just gotta deal with the fact people could be doing better if they paid attention when you brought it up.

I've lost count how many times it's happened. It feels like Cassandra from greek legends, or a reverse boy who cried wolf.

Same here. I said Facebook was just to spy on people for the government in 2008. Everyone thought I was nuts. Now it's common knowledge. It might have started off one way, but it ended that way.

The privacy issue is what is driving me nuts now. I have done everything to convince friends to get off google, amazon, etc, suggested alternatives, talked to them about consequences, but it's like talking to brick walls. Been saying it for years.

All day I just tell people to stop doing bad shit and they just do it anyway. By the time they realize it, it's too late.